Sutter is the problem

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Lol mom jokes good one.

Lay it out and show proof of Sutter taking responsibility ever. Show proof you don't have it that's why you resort to attacks.

Typical behaviour of people like you.

Listen
I’ll repeat it again
Pay attention this time

“Of all the things Sutter is, cowardly and irresponsible are not among them.”

I backed it up by referencing his professional accomplishments and personal life.

My mistake was assuming “people like you” could catch the subtleties of my post

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Listen
I’ll repeat it again
Pay attention this time

“Of all the things Sutter is, cowardly and irresponsible are not among them.”

I backed it up by referencing his professional accomplishments and personal life.

My mistake was assuming “people like you” could catch the subtleties of my post

Again I asked you to show me proof which again you fail to do. No cares what you think the proof is in the way he has conducted himself.

When it's almost unanimous that he was a unprofessional db and ran away to answer questions it shows he's a coward.

People like me? Want to elaborate?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Again I asked you to show me proof which again you fail to do. No cares what you think the proof is in the way he has conducted himself.

When it's almost unanimous that he was a unprofessional db and ran away to answer questions it shows he's a coward.

People like me? Want to elaborate?

No it wasn’t close to unanimous at all.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Again I asked you to show me proof which again you fail to do. No cares what you think the proof is in the way he has conducted himself.

When it's almost unanimous that he was a unprofessional db and ran away to answer questions it shows he's a coward.

People like me? Want to elaborate?

“People like you”
I quoted you

Proof? Well if you can achieve what he has professionally and personally without courage and being responsible, then you are an incredible anomaly.
And about him running away?
Other than Maloney, bean and wrangler personnel, I’m not sure if anyone in the organization has spoken. I wouldnt be surprised if the whole organization was told to keep their yaps shut for a little while

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

“People like you”
I quoted you

Proof? Well if you can achieve what he has professionally and personally without courage and being responsible, then you are an incredible anomaly.
And about him running away?
Other than Maloney, bean and wrangler personnel, I’m not sure if anyone in the organization has spoken. I wouldnt be surprised if the whole organization was told to keep their yaps shut for a little while

You can't debate you have provide any proof.

Just stop embarrassing yourself

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You can't debate you have provide any proof.

Just stop embarrassing yourself

Hey Wally
I think you meant to say that in your “inside voice”

[Lanny_McDonald]

@Paulie Walnuts - Terrible take on Sutter's courage and responsibility. I think a little more context would have been helpful here. Limit that comment to this past season and you are probably fine.

@All in Good Time - I think context in your defense would also be appreciated and stop the bickering. Darryl Sutter HAS BEEN a man of courage in the past. Darryl Sutter HAS BEEN a man of responsibility in the past. Darryl Sutter HAS BEEN successful in the past. Darryl Sutter HAS BEEN a winner in the past. Darryl Sutter HAS BEEN a great coach, in the past.

The emphasis here is HAS BEEN. Darryl Sutter is a HAS-BEEN and this past season is a great example of that. What he did this past season was horrific and detrimental to not only the club he coached but his legacy. CaliPanthersFan got in some hot water yesterday for suggesting that Sutter was worse for the Flames than Peters, but he wasn't far off. Cali's comments were not in defense of a racist but were an assessment of the job the two coaches did in maintaining the dressing room. Peters actually created a tight room while Sutter has made it toxic. That was the focus of his comment, but the CP pearl clutchers attacked him for defending a racist, which he did not. He was measuring performance and outcomes. Sutter made the ultimate transgression as a manager and turned the environment toxic, which in most organizations gets you fired without a bat of an eye.

So yes, Darryl Sutter is fine man and a quality human being. Darryl Sutter has a history of success and assuming responsibility for his actions. Unfortunately, that is all in the past and what he has done since his return and most importantly what did this most recent season is not consistent with the picture you paint of him. Sutter is a has-been and should be terminated for his performance behind the bench this past season.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

@Paulie Walnuts - Terrible take on Sutter's courage and responsibility. I think a little more context would have been helpful here. Limit that comment to this past season and you are probably fine.

@All in Good Time - I think context in your defense would also be appreciated and stop the bickering. Darryl Sutter HAS BEEN a man of courage in the past. Darryl Sutter HAS BEEN a man of responsibility in the past. Darryl Sutter HAS BEEN successful in the past. Darryl Sutter HAS BEEN a winner in the past. Darryl Sutter HAS BEEN a great coach, in the past.

The emphasis here is HAS BEEN. Darryl Sutter is a HAS-BEEN and this past season is a great example of that. What he did this past season was horrific and detrimental to not only the club he coached but his legacy. CaliPanthersFan got in some hot water yesterday for suggesting that Sutter was worse for the Flames than Peters, but he wasn't far off. Cali's comments were not in defense of a racist but were an assessment of the job the two coaches did in maintaining the dressing room. Peters actually created a tight room while Sutter has made it toxic. That was the focus of his comment, but the CP pearl clutchers attacked him for defending a racist, which he did not. He was measuring performance and outcomes. Sutter made the ultimate transgression as a manager and turned the environment toxic, which in most organizations gets you fired without a bat of an eye.

So yes, Darryl Sutter is fine man and a quality human being. Darryl Sutter has a history of success and assuming responsibility for his actions. Unfortunately, that is all in the past and what he has done since his return and most importantly what did this most recent season is not consistent with the picture you paint of him. Sutter is a has-been and should be terminated for his performance behind the bench this past season.

Yes you are correct
My bad

I objected to the adjectives “coward” and “db”, the inference to irresponsible too sat badly on me.
If you had any experience with special needs, a successful nhl career or even running a successful farm, those adjectives would never enter the equation.


Hardass, antiquated, stubborn, blunt? Sure

[transplant99]

Anyone who thinks the gag order on Darryl is from anyone but management really isnt paying attention.

Sutter isnt ducking the media, the Flames are.

Until EVERYTHING is determined from new GM and if he/she agrees to retain DS, there will be no pressers.

Suggesting Sutter is a coward might be the stupidest take among several about season end.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No one brought up his farm or parenting.

This discussion is about Darryl Sutter the coach the employee. A employee can be a awesome friend dad husband etc and still be a terrible employee with terrible characteristics about them on the job.

If he was a chef and served you rawn chicken and blamed it on the waitress does that make him a crappy farmer? No. It makes him a crappy chef who takes no responsibility.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Markstrom is a modern day Dominik Hasek once the other team has built up a 3 goal lead. He slams the door shut. Unfortunately it is usually hard to comeback when you are down by multiple goals. But after spotting 3 goals on the first 9 shots, you can almost guarantee that Markstrom will stop the next 21 shots.

Markstrom was bad this year. But in that stretch where early shots were going in, on great chances the Flames would suddenly allow, they finally put Vladar in and viola - 3 goals in 5 shots.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No one brought up his farm or parenting.

This discussion is about Darryl Sutter the coach the employee. A employee can be a awesome friend dad husband etc and still be a terrible employee with terrible characteristics about them on the job.

If he was a chef and served you rawn chicken and blamed it on the waitress does that make him a crappy farmer? No. It makes him a crappy chef who takes no responsibility.

Jesus you’re still harping on this ####? I wish people would stop quoting you so I can actually fully ignore your incessant drivel. Dragging down the forum this entire season.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Gonna throw a fit and run away for gifs bring stolen again?

Man eff off with this garbage. We dealt with this already and it's a dead issue. Effin move on and grow the hell up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Jesus you’re still harping on this ####? I wish people would stop quoting you so I can actually fully ignore your incessant drivel. Dragging down the forum this entire season.

Only drivel is your drive by posts with nothing to contribute.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Edmonton realized Campbell was trash and rode Skinner into the playoff.

Sutter realized Markstrom is trash and rode him into missing the playoffs and now hiding from the media like a coward. Darryl never takes responsibility that is one that is certain with him.

People's keep crying about the goaltending he had a choice eveb if the stats sucked to ride a goalie who won games but he didn't.

You're obsessing, the words you use to convince people of your poimt of view. "Darryl never takes responsibility" that is a generalization statement. "people keep crying" are they actually crying? "even if the stats sucked to ride a goalie who won games but he didn't "

He tried to show faith in the goalie the organization was paying to do the job. He might not have made the right choice but he is the coach and to push a "hate" filled agenda on other posters because of it, is wrong.


Most of us already know what Sutter is like, we have watched him for years. So who are you trying to convince by going on and on about Sutter almost everyday? " It doesn't feel right or comfortable to support someone's obsession to hate somebody.

You made your point, so who on cp are you trying to convince that Sutter is a bad person or coach and why are you going about it everyday? You are better than that, you have shared lots of good insights so maybe you can give it a rest and expand on other topics.

[Sec214]

This thread is dumb.

[dissentowner]

Thanks for that valuable contribution. Here is a pro tip for you, you don't have to read this thread at all.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Sec214

This thread is dumb.

We are just passionate fans, who are concerned about the team and the coach and the current situation, but the good news is some change is coming and hopefully that will lead to an overall improvement of the organization. There are some things to be excited about.

[MrMike]

Sutter will come out of the gates with Wolf and win 5 straight next season, and we’ll never question him again.

Seriously if we won even one quarter of those close one goal/ot games we’d be praising him again. He can’t play goal as well.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Thanks for that valuable contribution. Here is a pro tip for you, you don't have to read this thread at all.

On par with half the stuff posted in here. I’ll fit right in - thanks for your feedback. You’re a pro? Professional #### poster maybe…