I think it hurts capacity because the upper sections can only have a few rows of seating while still having a view of the ice/stage. So, you need to have more separation between the sections in the same vertical space, which means fewer total rows.
Also, by having the higher sections cantilevered over the lower sections, you reduce the diameter of those sections, which means fewer seats in each one.
This illustration shows it well...
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Some are completely private but are definitely the exception. It is usually on a scale of okay to terrible for government spending and what they get in return. Last deal was in the okay area and this one as presented is firmly in the terrible slot.
What's sad is we have other major community projects constantly stalled to "streamline" costs and be more budget friendly, but we are just backing up the brinks truck here for CSEC.
The Symons Valley Center construction (library, transit hub, pool and other commercial) was supposed to start 2021 but was paused, and there is now no beginning in sight as the city looks for "ways to be more efficient" with construction.
There are instances like this all over the city with stalled projects waiting funding but somehow the mayor and her team think this is the best use of funds? Sad when this is where the priorities lay.
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If the Ice District has somehow really "fundamentally reshaped" both Northern and Central Alberta, then I look forward to the Calgary Events Centre having a huge impact in both Southern Alberta and Northern Montana.
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If the Ice District has somehow really "fundamentally reshaped" both Northern and Central Alberta, then I look forward to the Calgary Events Centre having a huge impact in both Southern Alberta and Northern Montana.
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At the end of the day, isn’t the city of Calgary eventually going to have to replace the Saddledome with a new event center. If you remove the Flames from the equation, at some point if the city wants its citizens to enjoy a concert, an awards ceremony, kids shows, etc….the city is going to have to pay for a new event center to host those events. Regardless at some point, it was going to happen, so isn’t it better to have a tenant committed for the next 35 years rather than we spend $600-$800M as a city and hope we can get enough events to make some money back?
This reminds me of the olympics, when we had a chance to get $4-$5B in money from the government and IOC to spend on facilities and upgrades and the city voted no cause they didn’t want their tax money going to the “corrupt IOC”. Now those world class facilities we had that Olympic athletes trained at have no funds to bring them up to date, or an outdated football stadium that no one wants to go watch a game at.
Money from the city was going to be spent regardless, but people will find a way to complain at the end of the day because if they can’t use it, no one else should be able to
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Money from the city was going to be spent regardless, but people will find a way to complain at the end of the day because if they can’t use it, no one else should be able to
This is what I always come back to as well. If they spend the money and build it, no one is losing out on anything else. Money has already been budgeted for other things and it isn't a result of taking it from other pots or slashing other stuff. This project is on top of other things, not instead of other things.
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If the city did it on their own at least they could charge market rent and index that to inflation.
We are paying for it and all the flames are doing is paying rent that is 25-50% of market value.
And we pay all operations and maintenance and cost overruns.
It’s the worst deal possible.
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At the end of the day, isn’t the city of Calgary eventually going to have to replace the Saddledome with a new event center. If you remove the Flames from the equation, at some point if the city wants its citizens to enjoy a concert, an awards ceremony, kids shows, etc….the city is going to have to pay for a new event center to host those events. Regardless at some point, it was going to happen, so isn’t it better to have a tenant committed for the next 35 years rather than we spend $600-$800M as a city and hope we can get enough events to make some money back?
This reminds me of the olympics, when we had a chance to get $4-$5B in money from the government and IOC to spend on facilities and upgrades and the city voted no cause they didn’t want their tax money going to the “corrupt IOC”. Now those world class facilities we had that Olympic athletes trained at have no funds to bring them up to date, or an outdated football stadium that no one wants to go watch a game at.
Money from the city was going to be spent regardless, but people will find a way to complain at the end of the day because if they can’t use it, no one else should be able to
This is what I always come back to as well. If they spend the money and build it, no one is losing out on anything else. Money has already been budgeted for other things and it isn't a resulting of taking it from other pots or slashing other stuff. This project is on top of other things, not instead of other things.
In a finite money pool there's only two ways to rectify this. Either something else doesn't get done, or they increase the amount of money brought it.
That's it. What you posted makes no sense at all.
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In a finite money pool there's only two ways to rectify this. Either something else doesn't get done, or they increase the amount of money brought it.
That's it. What you posted makes no sense at all.
They're already setting aside money for it, so other things are not being done as is.
The Rivers District, in the eyes of Council, is the crown jewel of Calgary development and is being financed by a community revitalization levy that runs all the way till 2047. A major component of the Rivers District plan is a large and expensive event centre.
If the city did it on their own at least they could charge market rent and index that to inflation.
We are paying for it and all the flames are doing is paying rent that is 25-50% of market value.
And we pay all operations and maintenance and cost overruns.
It’s the worst deal possible.
So why isn’t the city then chipping in the extra $40M everyone is talking about and pay for the arena themselves if there is no benefit to the Flames renting the facility? Who else should the city find to rent the facility at market rent and index that to inflation? Cause I think we all can agree at some point the city will need a new event center so who could the city use to pay market rent so us citizens can recoup our money?
And we pay all operations and maintenance and cost overruns.
I also don’t believe this is entirely true, as the official release from the city specifically states that “the City’s share of potential cost overruns are proposed to be set aside from revenues from future land sales”
So that would imply that CSEC is also responsible for cost overruns as well. Where did you hear that the City had to pay all the overruns?
If the Ice District has somehow really "fundamentally reshaped" both Northern and Central Alberta, then I look forward to the Calgary Events Centre having a huge impact in both Southern Alberta and Northern Montana.
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ICE District - The biggest thing to happen to Red Deer since the extension of Highway 2 to bypass the city entirely.
Excited to keep on living in the intersection of the Venn diagram of nonsense.
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I do hope these guys are included on the bid list this go round as well.
Watched the video and I'm a but confused how the "inverted" bowl is revolutionary. It is not that far fetched a concept and it has been slowly trending this way for years. Many newer buildings have really steep upper sections to bring you closer. This inverted bowl concept just seems to take it a bit further. Rogers for example sure seems closer to the action in some ways in the upper deck but it higher than the old Coliseum. By the time your adding your levels of luxury boxes and premium seating that the Flames are going to insist on I don't see the inverted bowl being feasible.
Are they going to put the project out to bid again? I assumed it was going to basically be bringing the same design back from the last failed deal. I'm no civil engineer but there would be a fair amount of money invested already in this project to have to start from scratch again all over. Anyways everyone is more excited about the deal, the only thing I care about it the building itself.
I'd be willing to bet good money that after this iteration of an arena is built, some 30-40-whatever years down the road, and once Victoria park is built out, they'll look seriously at west village again.
And I hope they go with that newfangled overhead design now that they have more space... What was it called again?
