[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It's why cities like Buffalo and KC can't be competitive in the NFL.

Not a very good comparison since the NFL only operates in one country and it's a pretty viscious business compared to the NHL. Shorter career and non guaranteed contracts. Plus 7th round picks in the NFL play as rookies right away...not the case in hockey. Plus travel is generally pretty neutral in that league with 8 or 9 road games and only playing once a week. Murray Edward's is HATED right now on this site by many for being a rich mesn jerk. He'd be considered a pushover in the NFL club of owners

In the NFL if you get drafted and refuse to sign...you sit out a year and go in the draft again. In hockey they let you pick where you want to play.

I think some of the lifestyle stuff does get a bit over rated as every player should consider net pay first, and for some older guys winning team next. During the season there isn't a lot of downtime. But I do think it does play a role with the guys in that 27 and up group. Ultimately all cities in Canada will pay a premium on players off rookie deals and need to hope betting on younger guys to pop pays off more than it fails.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Not a very good comparison since the NFL only operates in one country and it's a pretty viscious business compared to the NHL. Shorter career and non guaranteed contracts. Plus 7th round picks in the NFL play as rookies right away...not the case in hockey. Plus travel is generally pretty neutral in that league with 8 or 9 road games and only playing once a week. Murray Edward's is HATED right now on this site by many for being a rich mesn jerk. He'd be considered a pushover in the NFL club of owners

In the NFL if you get drafted and refuse to sign...you sit out a year and go in the draft again. In hockey they let you pick where you want to play.

I think some of the lifestyle stuff does get a bit over rated as every player should consider net pay first, and for some older guys winning team next. During the season there isn't a lot of downtime. But I do think it does play a role with the guys in that 27 and up group. Ultimately all cities in Canada will pay a premium on players off rookie deals and need to hope betting on younger guys to pop pays off more than it fails.

I don't know if the NFL being more vicious makes it that easier for less desirable locations to compete. Yes their contracts aren't guaranteed but player movement in the NFL is prevalent. It's not like players don't have a say where they want to play.

You can't build a super team in the NHL IMO. There are only 192 jobs for starting defensemen. Or 32 starting goalies. If you want to play in the NHL and max out your earnings, you're going to have to be flexible on where you want to play.

Is the Canada vs US difference a factor? Sure but I read people here complaining about the weather and such and I'm just not prepared to put too much weight on that personally.

[cannon7]

I've posted this in other threads. But I think the only way a small market team like the Flames can compete sustainably is to invest predominantly in scouting and development and not in free agency. The Flames (IMO) don't even have a top 15 scouting and development staff. It's a miracle they've had any success. Despite this Tod Button's team have found some mid/late round gems. And absent of blue chippers, the minor league system has made the most of a middle-of-the-road talent pool. But the Flames are still straddling the line when they actually need to go all in. It may be an oversimplification, but I think the Flames need to be a hockey equivalent of the Tampa Bay Rays. Sure the big market teams will poach your top end talent, but as long as you have a pipeline deep with prospects and a development team with the talent to maximize that potential, then you can still compete against those big market teams while you hold those rights. Instead the Flames are just doing the same thing the big market teams are doing but then only getting to pick from the lesser tier of free agents to fill depth holes. It is a recipe for mediocrity at best.

For example, instead of trading away first/second round picks at the trade deadline when competing for a playoff spot to acquire rentals to make a push down the stretch, the Flames need to do what is traditionally considered counter-intuitive and instead trade away expiring contracts for first/second round picks regardless of how important those expiring contracts may be to the current season. Sure the hockey writers will go nuts when core players are moved, but the reality is a small market team always needs to be a seller when asset valuations are at their highest. The Flames should be going into every draft ideally with 2-3 first and second round picks.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The problem with winters in Calgary isn't necessarily the weather in December, January, February. It's the weather in October, November, March, April, May. As those months are much, much colder than other major centers in North America and make for long winters relative to winters in Eastern Canada and Northern USA.

To be fair, thanks to climate change, it's probably more just November, March and April now. Octobers and Mays in Calgary are pretty good.

[Romanrules]

It was a big reason why Dustin Byfuglien didn't mind Winnipeg. He was from Minnesota and loved the fact he could go ice fishing. So like you said and Winters alluded to, sell on what you can provide.

[Muta]

We should convince Brayden Point and Cale Makar to come home then. It is their destinies. Alberta is calling.

[Toonage]

I want no part of that thug Makar.

/s

[bdubbs]

With a new arena in place (if it goes through), it could make it easier to draw hometown players back.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Not a very good comparison since the NFL only operates in one country and it's a pretty viscious business compared to the NHL. Shorter career and non guaranteed contracts. Plus 7th round picks in the NFL play as rookies right away...not the case in hockey. Plus travel is generally pretty neutral in that league with 8 or 9 road games and only playing once a week. Murray Edward's is HATED right now on this site by many for being a rich mesn jerk. He'd be considered a pushover in the NFL club of owners

In the NFL if you get drafted and refuse to sign...you sit out a year and go in the draft again. In hockey they let you pick where you want to play.

I think some of the lifestyle stuff does get a bit over rated as every player should consider net pay first, and for some older guys winning team next. During the season there isn't a lot of downtime. But I do think it does play a role with the guys in that 27 and up group. Ultimately all cities in Canada will pay a premium on players off rookie deals and need to hope betting on younger guys to pop pays off more than it fails.

But you can't get drafted until 3 years of college (after Junior year). So they enter college and get drafted at 21,sit out a year and get drafted again at 22. If they aren't a first rounder they make league minimum and can be cut at any time. This is not really the benefit you think it is.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by Muta

We should convince Brayden Point and Cale Makar to come home then. It is their destinies. Alberta is calling.

There is definitely potential with Makar. Need him to marry his current girlfriend for sure.

[dustygoon]

What in the actual hell is this?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1651360951323721734

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

What in the actual hell is this?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1651360951323721734

Lol I hope Kadri and Huberdeau will terminate their contracts. Maybe Flames management isn’t so bad. Any ways seems made up

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

What in the actual hell is this?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1651360951323721734

What are you missing here? Even players with term left on their contracts are not interested in playing for the Flames if Sutter is still behind the bench. Seems consistent with the discussion on garbage bag day. Dreger is suggesting that unless Sutter is fired as coach that players will refuse to play for the team and force the Flames to trade them.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

What in the actual hell is this?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1651360951323721734

This speaks to how #%^*ed this all is.

Darryl shouldn’t be back under any circumstances in my eyes.

[FlamesAddiction]

I wouldn't be surprised if Lindholm is one, assuming all this is true. He seemed clearly pissed off on garbage day, probably even more now that it came out the Canes tried to trade for him.

There is no way Huberdeau or Kadri would do it. They aren't getting the same deals ever again and have no positive trade value. Markstrom maybe. He has no trade value, so he'd either be suspended without pay, or have his contract terminated. He'd leave a lot of money on the table, but it wouldn't shock me either... which would be really good for us anyway.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This speaks to how #%^*ed this all is.

Darryl shouldn’t be back under any circumstances in my eyes.

If the owner wants to win games next season it seems counterintuitive to bring back a coach that a handful of players extremely dislike and some of them supposedly to the point they may stay home. Even if you convince some of them it's a stretch to think it would work as Darryl can't and won't change his approach. The players won't be happy and it's difficult to imagine the team succeeding.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This speaks to how #%^*ed this all is.

Darryl shouldn’t be back under any circumstances in my eyes.

Seems par for the course for the franchise.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Seems par for the course for the franchise.

It really is. The Bruins didn't want to get rid of Cassidy because he's a really good coach but they realized that keeping him meant losing players so they made the difficult decision and the players rewarded management with their best regular season ever. It's borderline unfair to even hold Sutter's future over the head of the incoming GM as it would be best if Maloney fired Sutter himself so they could start clean with a new GM and coach. That's what a normal franchise would do when dealing with a toxic situation like this.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I have a bad feeling that ownership might side with Darryl and it’ll end up blowing up in their faces

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Seems par for the course for the franchise.

I believe you mean double bogey for the course