Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[cSpooge]

This is what the auditors etc make:



https://www.tbs-sct.canada.ca/agreem...?id=6#rates-au


and this is what the PSAC employees make:



https://www.ute-sei.org/sites/defaul...A_Payscale.pdf

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Izzle

140k??? Average???? I don't believe it for a second. Please share the link.

https://ca.talent.com/salary?job=cra...7%20per%20year.

This link has much more information depending on the position: https://ca.indeed.com/cmp/Canada-Rev...gency/salaries

Truthfully, I have no idea. I don’t know how many people are in these positions or what they earn.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Slava

Google says the average is $140k and entry level is $71k. I think that $40-60k is the PSAC average or something and I’m not sure what that includes. It seems to be pretty low though.

LOLWAT?!

CRA workers do not make an average of $140K per year. That's laughably inaccurate. Not saying that's not what you found on a cursory google search, but a quick search will lead you to a copy of the agreement between PSAC-UTE and the CRA.

Go to Appendix "A" and it'll tell you all the pay ranges. The absolute bottom at the lowest entry-level range is $41,658, while the tippy-top of the managerial scale earns $132,427.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Slava

Google says the average is $140k and entry level is $71k. I think that $40-60k is the PSAC average or something and I’m not sure what that includes. It seems to be pretty low though.

If you're going to throw numbers around, you should probably apply some critical thinking to what sources you're getting your information from. If you take a step back, does it really seem plausible that the average employee at the CRA is making $140K? Like, seriously?

If you look at their actual salary grids, the highest union salary you can get (Manager Level 6 at the highest pay increment) is $130K. Most other management pay levels max out at $90-100K, and most non-management ones top out at $60-85K.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

They could. And as I mentioned in a follow up post since then, some of their counterparts in the private sector have already learned that lesson.

The old saying goes when you assume you make an ass you and me, but when you do so for one reason or another I seem to come out of it relatively unscathed.

I realize this is your Super Bowl, but I have no idea what you’re talking about. And sure, everyone reveres you.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by opendoor

If you're going to throw numbers around, you should probably apply some critical thinking to what sources you're getting your information from. If you take a step back, does it really seem plausible that the average employee at the CRA is making $140K? Like, seriously?

If you look at their actual salary grids, the highest union salary you can get (Manager Level 6 at the highest pay increment) is $130K. Most other management pay levels max out at $90-100K, and most non-management ones top out at $60-85K.

Yeah, here’s the thing. I just said I googled it and gave you link. Take it up with the website.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by cSpooge

and this is what the PSAC employees make:

https://www.ute-sei.org/sites/defaul...A_Payscale.pdf

Man those MG-SPS-6’s are really living the sweet life. No idea what the jobs at that pay grade entail but they have a good salary so I’m sure someone who probably makes more than they do will come around any minute now and tell us all why it’s simply too much.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Why would he take it up with the website? He's the one who knows out to read grids

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Slava

I realize this is your Super Bowl,

The super bowl is my super bowl, I watch it on tv.

but I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Story checks out.

And sure, everyone reveres you.

Aw that’s sweet of you to say Slava, I’ll try to not let it go to my head.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The super bowl is my super bowl, I watch it on tv.



Story checks out.



Aw that’s sweet of you to say Slava, I’ll try to not let it go to my head.

We both know that ship sailed years ago.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Why would he take it up with the website? He's the one who knows out to read grids

Well sure, I didn’t see the grid to read, but pile on. As I said in that post, I googled it and that was the figure that came up.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well sure, I didn’t see the grid to read, but pile on. As I said in that post, I googled it and that was the figure that came up.

C'mon man, you're not even reading your own sources!

Originally Posted by Slava

https://ca.talent.com/salary?job=cra...7%20per%20year.

This link has much more information depending on the position: https://ca.indeed.com/cmp/Canada-Rev...gency/salaries

Truthfully, I have no idea. I don’t know how many people are in these positions or what they earn.

The talent.ca link has data aggregated from any job listing that mentions "CRA" in it at all. It's taking any and all private-sector accounting-related jobs that mention "CRA" in the posting, and it's taking totally unrelated jobs that have "CRA" in the posting too. Like Certified Research Associate, someone who works in clinical trials.

If you look at the indeed.com link, there isn't a single role higher than "Director", at $138,627. The others include "Customer Service Representative" at $57,856, "Call Center Representative" at $55,303 and $57,294, "Tax Examiner" at $63,596, "Accountant" at $20.22 per hour, "Administrative Services" at $59,636, "Clerk" at $50,584, "Data Entry Clerk" at $41,275, "Administrative Clerk" at $56,780, "Contracting Officer" at $59,560, "Clerical Worker" at $53,175, "Administrative Assistant" at $53,370...

[Slava]

Originally Posted by timun

C'mon man, you're not even reading your own sources!




The talent.ca link has data aggregated from any job listing that mentions "CRA" in it at all. It's taking any and all private-sector accounting-related jobs that mention "CRA" in the posting, and it's taking totally unrelated jobs that have "CRA" in the posting too. Like Certified Research Associate, someone who works in clinical trials.

If you look at the indeed.com link, there isn't a single role higher than "Director", at $138,627. The others include "Customer Service Representative" at $57,856, "Call Center Representative" at $55,303 and $57,294, "Tax Examiner" at $63,596, "Accountant" at $20.22 per hour, "Administrative Services" at $59,636, "Clerk" at $50,584, "Data Entry Clerk" at $41,275, "Administrative Clerk" at $56,780, "Contracting Officer" at $59,560, "Clerical Worker" at $53,175, "Administrative Assistant" at $53,370...

Yeah, I definitely didn’t read the link all that carefully, and found the second link after. I was just looking for a quick answer to the question.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Slava

We both know that ship sailed years ago.

Here you go with the assumptions again.

Until you mentioned it I had no idea that I was revered by everyone. Frankly in a number of cases I would have assumed(there’s that word again ) the opposite because some posters inexplicably seem to try their best to come off as disrespectful #######s when they comment on the things that I post. Seems like an odd way to approach someone that they allegedly revere.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Slava

https://ca.talent.com/salary?job=cra...7%20per%20year.

This link has much more information depending on the position: https://ca.indeed.com/cmp/Canada-Rev...gency/salaries

Truthfully, I have no idea. I don’t know how many people are in these positions or what they earn.

Those links don’t show 140k average salary. And typing in “cra” into a search engine isn’t salaries for people working at the CRA. It’s just “CRA” in the job description.

[PepsiFree]

Well, after that thrilling exchange, I’m going to assume we’ve come to the answer that the average employee of the CRA is not highly paid.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

If this post was an unintentional deflection show it to your boss and I can almost guarantee that you’ll be named employee of the month

You’re forgetting that both public and private sector workers have the ability to work from home GGG, but regardless my post had absolutely nothing to do with WFH.

While I’m sure that the handful of posters who would rather lay on a bed of hot coals than admit that there’s even an ounce of legitimacy to anything I say appreciate your efforts here, you know as well as I do what the main reason is for the disparity between in overall wages, benefits and job security between the private and public sectors. It’s the same reason why private sector employees on average do better than their private sector counterparts where that reason is absent.

I’m pretty sure you brought up work from home as a sticking point for unions. Not sure how that’s a deflextion to discuss how the government should approach WFH as a benefit.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Those links don’t show 140k average salary. And typing in “cra” into a search engine isn’t salaries for people working at the CRA. It’s just “CRA” in the job description.

Have you just skipped the past 20 posts?

[timun]

We were all in a rush to point out how off-base you were, Slava. Wormius is just catching up.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by GGG

I’m pretty sure you brought up work from home as a sticking point for unions. Not sure how that’s a deflextion to discuss how the government should approach WFH as a benefit.

Perhaps you should re-read my post that you quoted.