[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by BagoPucks

Alrite so we love the game of hockey but dont think the local team is worth your time. Who do you cheer for and how do you design your life to consume that media instead of the regional stuff?

I don’t have a rooting interest other than the Flames but have enjoyed the Athletic. The local market seems crowded with kids who think their opinion is the story.
I’ve liked Julian Mackenzie covering the flames.
The beat writers for the Jets and Sens are both good IMO. I don’t care if either team wins or loses but I’ll still read much of their stuff.
The Wild coverage usually tells some good stories.
And there’s a reporter in Boston named Fluto Shinzawa who is fantastic.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Katz completed humiliated Edmonton and us though. His goal wasn’t to have a successful product on the ice, it was to get his real estate development with the ice district and then to party with the 80 oilers legends.

Like Edwards, neither are dumb because they could care less about winning the cup or even trying to win it (though either would obviously love to for personal and business reasons), they are just out to maximize profits. Edward does it by making sure the Flames have just passable teams so when it comes to season renewal tickets there’s still “next year” and they don’t have to worry about the dreaded “R” word.

Neither of these guys are dumb for using their hockey teams to make money. If anything it’s the fans for supporting them.

Didn't say they were dumb, but it doesn't mean they are particularly smart, either.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Katz completed humiliated Edmonton and us though. His goal wasn’t to have a successful product on the ice, it was to get his real estate development with the ice district and then to party with the 80 oilers legends.

Like Edwards, neither are dumb because they could care less about winning the cup or even trying to win it (though either would obviously love to for personal and business reasons), they are just out to maximize profits. Edward does it by making sure the Flames have just passable teams so when it comes to season renewal tickets there’s still “next year” and they don’t have to worry about the dreaded “R” word.

Neither of these guys are dumb for using their hockey teams to make money. If anything it’s the fans for supporting them.

By not building a proper contender, they are losing money hand over first. The amount of money Edwards has lost by not building an arena 10 years ago is staggering. These are not good business decisions. He is a dumb dumb in hockey business and hockey competitiveness.

[Jore]

I would love to see the data on the Flames valuation growth rate agains the league and Canadian team averages. On first blush it seems like a tremendous mistake not to leverage the passion and loyalty of a Canadian market to build a true contender, while getting playoff revenue and growing the brand along the way.

Then again, this type of reactive, shortsighted strategy definitely reflects the league (and thus overall ownership groups) behavior vs other major sports, so maybe even in terms of organization incompetence the Flames are bang average.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by Jore

I would love to see the data on the Flames valuation growth rate agains the league and Canadian team averages. On first blush it seems like a tremendous mistake not to leverage the passion and loyalty of a Canadian market to build a true contender, while getting playoff revenue and growing the brand along the way.

Then again, this type of reactive, shortsighted strategy definitely reflects the league (and thus overall ownership groups) behavior vs other major sports, so maybe even in terms of organization incompetence the Flames are bang average.

Name me a Canadian team that has used all their leverage to build a true contender. Which of the richest teams (being Montreal, NYR and Toronto) have done this?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

Name me a Canadian team that has used all their leverage to build a true contender. Which of the richest teams (being Montreal, NYR and Toronto) have done this?

I thought that NYR played in the US?

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Jore

I would love to see the data on the Flames valuation growth rate agains the league and Canadian team averages. On first blush it seems like a tremendous mistake not to leverage the passion and loyalty of a Canadian market to build a true contender, while getting playoff revenue and growing the brand along the way.

Then again, this type of reactive, shortsighted strategy definitely reflects the league (and thus overall ownership groups) behavior vs other major sports, so maybe even in terms of organization incompetence the Flames are bang average.

I think a lot of fans (lord help teenage media) missed the clear and full on rebuild of the 2010s and now are misdiagnosing the problem.

The team had basically 3 top 5 picks.
They drafted and developed well and if we were a US market would have 3-4 all stars, depth, and trophy candidates in ages between 25-29. Short of a Connor 649 ticket that's as good as it gets.

They had it, but could not keep it. Different problem.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So you are the greatest hockey mind in the world because you just knew everything right?

Also I never said checking is body checking so right here you are just making things up.

Checking isn't a new term or style like you think when you keep saying last year's line was the greatest checkers that ever checked.

Ken Hitchcock has talked about checking long before Darryl talked about it.

No, I don’t think checking is a new term or style, so you’re the one making things up. Checking has been around since the dawn of hockey.

And no, once again, I said they’re the greatest checking line I had personally ever seen which is more than fair considering how well they played under Darryl’s checking style. How could they be the greatest checking line ever if I wasn’t even around to watch most of the NHL’s history. This isn’t something you can statistically confirm.

Lastly, no, I don’t think I’m some great hockey mind. I’m just another random on CP. But for whatever reason, you obsess over previous things I say and continually bring them back up in hopes of mockery. You’re a complete joke, an instigator and the biggest waste of time here. I don’t know who you are or why you post so much, but I am blocking you and you need to block me back because this childish rivalry needs to end for the good of everyone here on CP.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

I think a lot of fans (lord help teenage media) missed the clear and full on rebuild of the 2010s and now are misdiagnosing the problem.

The team had basically 3 top 5 picks.
They drafted and developed well and if we were a US market would have 3-4 all stars, depth, and trophy candidates in ages between 25-29. Short of a Connor 649 ticket that's as good as it gets.

They had it, but could not keep it. Different problem.

Yeah good point.

Tkachuk flew the coop
Gaudreau flew the coop
Fox didn't even give the Flames a chance
Bennett didn't reach the lofty heights that were expected
Monahan had his career basically ended early by injuries

A lot of bad luck and bad geography at play there. CSEC doesn't help themselves either by keeping a decrepit old arena instead of building a new one.

[dammage79]

Did anyone read thewincolumn report that Treliving tried to fire Sutter this season and ownership said no? Too many player complaints about Sutter and the on ice results were why he tried to fire him.

Now that we know Sutter is in ownerships hands, I think they'll be hard pressed to find any GM wanting this job.

The story also said to expect a massive walk off of personnel.

https://thewincolumn.ca/2023/04/22/t...ring-a-new-gm/

[Paulie Walnuts]

Pat Steinberg also said it's no guarantee Sutter is back based on the exit interviews.

Destroying your team to keep a coach who has made the playoffs 2 of the last 5 seasons is something.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Did anyone read thewincolumn report that Treliving tried to fire Sutter this season and ownership said no? Too many player complaints about Sutter and the on ice results were why he tried to fire him.

Now that we know Sutter is in ownerships hands, I think they'll be hard pressed to find any GM wanting this job.

The story also said to expect a massive walk off of personnel.

https://thewincolumn.ca/2023/04/22/t...ring-a-new-gm/

I didn't hear the rumours that you are reporting, but I did hear Steinberg and Francis chatting on Friday about how they know of at minimum, 4 people who have said they will be inquiring about the vacant GM job in Calgary.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah good point.

Tkachuk flew the coop
Gaudreau flew the coop
Fox didn't even give the Flames a chance
Bennett didn't reach the lofty heights that were expected
Monahan had his career basically ended early by injuries

A lot of bad luck and bad geography at play there. CSEC doesn't help themselves either by keeping a decrepit old arena instead of building a new one.

You hear about players who comment on the arena. I’m guessing they are talking about dressing rooms and training facilities and not the fan based amenities, or the things that make owners money like suites. So arguably the Flames could have made things nicer for players even in the Dome.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by dammage79

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The story also said to expect a massive walk off of personnel.

https://thewincolumn.ca/2023/04/22/t...ring-a-new-gm/

What the article actual said

Furthermore, Elliotte Friedman reported that the Flames are expecting some personnel changes will occur as Trelivng moves on from the team, with some players and members of the organization leaving along with him to new opportunities

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Did anyone read thewincolumn report that Treliving tried to fire Sutter this season and ownership said no? Too many player complaints about Sutter and the on ice results were why he tried to fire him.

Now that we know Sutter is in ownerships hands, I think they'll be hard pressed to find any GM wanting this job.

The story also said to expect a massive walk off of personnel.

https://thewincolumn.ca/2023/04/22/t...ring-a-new-gm/

That’s not a report or a story. It’s an equivalent to a CP post from a different website.
Someone turned what they think they heard into a post, and then into click bait, which apparently worked.

That’s how people end up taking ivermectin.

[Vinny01]

If it is true Brad wanted to replace Darryl that would have been the 5th change he wanted to make in 9 years. You can say he had to make the Peters move but that whole situation was a blessing in disguise as the team was trending horribly and a 7 game win streak after Peters left put them back on the bubble.

Brad failed to keep the core of homegrown talent he and his predecessors drafted and lost too many players for nothing and relied on free agency in recent years to plug holes and handed out several long term deals to 30+ UFA’s. His plan was to build around Gaudreau and Tkachuk but they chose not to be here. He made reactionary moves that looked awesome on the surface but did not translate well in year 1. Brad not coming back likely is how it should be based on how the last few years went.

One thing I have thought is when the Tkachuk trsde went down Brad perhaps favored the rebuild route but was pushed by ownership to make the win now move and also ensure those guys were signed. If he wasn’t fully on board with that I wonder if that played a big part in moving on since the team is very much tied to Huberdeau/Weegar/Kadri moving forward.

[Shazam]

I hope our next GM chirps the fans.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If it is true Brad wanted to replace Darryl that would have been the 5th change he wanted to make in 9 years. You can say he had to make the Peters move but that whole situation was a blessing in disguise as the team was trending horribly and a 7 game win streak after Peters left put them back on the bubble.

Brad failed to keep the core of homegrown talent he and his predecessors drafted and lost too many players for nothing and relied on free agency in recent years to plug holes and handed out several long term deals to 30+ UFA’s. His plan was to build around Gaudreau and Tkachuk but they chose not to be here. He made reactionary moves that looked awesome on the surface but did not translate well in year 1. Brad not coming back likely is how it should be based on how the last few years went.

One thing I have thought is when the Tkachuk trsde went down Brad perhaps favored the rebuild route but was pushed by ownership to make the win now move and also ensure those guys were signed. If he wasn’t fully on board with that I wonder if that played a big part in moving on since the team is very much tied to Huberdeau/Weegar/Kadri moving forward.

Well, let’s just see how the next guy does.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

That’s not a report or a story. It’s an equivalent to a CP post from a different website.
Someone turned what they think they heard into a post, and then into click bait, which apparently worked.

That’s how people end up taking ivermectin.

When I need to scratch my Flames insider itch I always go to a property manager who writes hockey articles in the evenings.

[GioforPM]

Wrong thread