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Old 04-21-2023, 01:57 PM   #2481
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I hope you all know my crotchiness and general moaning about this season has come from a place of deep love and respect for the franchise and these characters.
I unironically love Voyager, and it was ham sandwich.
I loved enterprise even in early seasons and even with #### theme song.
I even still love the episode of DS9 Allamaraine, which may be the worst episode of television ever seriously produced.

I derive serious enjoyment out of attacking these critically, but I watched every minute of it all.

My fondest memories of childhood are waiting for my Dad to come home so we could watch that week's episode of TNG together, i would pretend to conduct the theme song every time it came on. I had my own uniform and a toy phaser, and of course the Ent D and Vorcha toys that were available at the time. I even had action figures, the whole senior staff, a ferengi, three borg, lore, guinan... these were such high quality that my son and daughter now still play with them. My wife and I laugh because our son was strangely attached to deanna for some time.

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I don't think it's possible to love Star Trek and also not poke fun at the ridiculousness of most aspects of it.
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I don't think it's possible to love Star Trek and also not poke fun at the ridiculousness of most aspects of it.
Hey! Thats my line!
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I hope you all know my crotchiness and general moaning about this season has come from a place of deep love and respect for the franchise and these characters.
I unironically love Voyager, and it was ham sandwich.
I loved enterprise even in early seasons and even with #### theme song.
I even still love the episode of DS9 Allamaraine, which may be the worst episode of television ever seriously produced.

I derive serious enjoyment out of attacking these critically, but I watched every minute of it all.

My fondest memories of childhood are waiting for my Dad to come home so we could watch that week's episode of TNG together, i would pretend to conduct the theme song every time it came on. I had my own uniform and a toy phaser, and of course the Ent D and Vorcha toys that were available at the time. I even had action figures, the whole senior staff, a ferengi, three borg, lore, guinan... these were such high quality that my son and daughter now still play with them. My wife and I laugh because our son was strangely attached to deanna for some time.

I love Star Trek.
Being critical and poking fun at Star Trek is how we as fans show love.

Except for Discovery. Screw that nonsense!
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You mean Elnor, Emperor of the Romulan Empire?
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I even still love the episode of DS9 Allamaraine, which may be the worst episode of television ever seriously produced.



That episode is amazing just for the interaction of Odo and Quark so you can go to hell for saying this. Especially since Code of Honour exists.
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Except for Discovery. Screw that nonsense!
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If that were all it was- but instead it's a potential new enterprise series with 7 as captain, set on the darkest bridge of a renamed inconsequential to the fleet ship, and with Jack Picard as the new "solve everything" wiz and Raffi as the Worf.

You really want this?
One ship overhaul in spacedock easily alleviates the dark bridge.

As for Jack, meh, Raffi? Meh. That'd probably add to the dynamic of 7 as captain as she has to wrangle these two cats from Scurrying too far.

Just missing a couple of miles Obriens and a data type character.
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Old 04-22-2023, 05:17 PM   #2490
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I get that they always want a long drawn out goodbye with hints of a continuation with characters that I don't think are all that intriguing.

But Star Trek 6 is still the winner on how to say goodbye to a cast.



The ending of Voyage Home was always my favorite.

"Alright Mr. Sulu, let's see what she's got."
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The ending of Voyage Home was always my favorite.

"Alright Mr. Sulu, let's see what she's got."
That's great, along with "3rd star to the right, then straight on til' morning".

I wish that Picard S3 did not end with an awkward slow spin over the poker table. They should have had the bar scene earlier, then the 1 year later - Picard and few others are on the bridge of the D and the show closes with the fade out of "she's always taken good care of us".
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I think I tangentially called out the post-credits scene a bit:

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So Q is basically Doctor Who. Dropped off Sarah Jane in the 70s. Met her again in the 2000s but thousands of years had passed for him.
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That episode is amazing just for the interaction of Odo and Quark so you can go to hell for saying this. Especially since Code of Honour exists.
Not only odo and quark. The character development of this episode in general is unreal. We find out minor deep cuts of kiras past, dax' multiple lives, and early hints at Bashir's conflict with his parents. The plot is totally absurd and goofy as #### but the episode when seen in the whole is great. It also deepens the mystery of the gamma quadrant, advances some founder talk, and starts with a hilarious quark-capitalism joke.
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That's great, along with "3rd star to the right, then straight on til' morning".

I wish that Picard S3 did not end with an awkward slow spin over the poker table. They should have had the bar scene earlier, then the 1 year later - Picard and few others are on the bridge of the D and the show closes with the fade out of "she's always taken good care of us".
Oh man....there are so many things they could have done better and so many own goals.

- Turning the Titan into the Enterprise? Why?

- Jack as 'Special Counselor to the Captain?' Ugh....so he's counsellor Troi now? Except with a worse British accent and no actual qualifications?

- Starfleet just handing out their flagship to these three clowns? Sorry, I shouldnt say that, I like 7of9, Raffi seems like an awful officer and Jack is an idiot whom, I reiterate, should be jettisoned out of an airlock.

Anyways, getting off topic.

I have been brutally critical of this show, but the last couple episodes, for me, nailed the feels. I think it went out perfectly.

We wanted the D...they teased the D and then they delivered the D.
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- Turning the Titan into the Enterprise? Why?

- Starfleet just handing out their flagship to these three clowns? Sorry, I shouldnt say that, I like 7of9, Raffi seems like an awful officer and Jack is an idiot whom, I reiterate, should be jettisoned out of an airlock.
Someone on the creative team is a huge fanboy of the Titan. I think it looks terrible in it's iteration on the show. It looks way better as the Shangri-La 23rd century version it was originally designed as. The impulse engines still look clunky but the 23rd century nacelles fit much better with the look.



That said, I think they re-named it as the Enterprise in honor of it's role in the events of saving Starfleet but it's not the flagship anymore. It's still a middle-of-the-pack exploration ship.
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One thing about the D I don't understand though is in TNG, that ship had thousands of crew members, hundreds of which were in engineering keeping the thing running. Was there some massive leap in automation in the last 20 years making it possible for a handful of bridge crew to do everything?
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One thing about the D I don't understand though is in TNG, that ship had thousands of crew members, hundreds of which were in engineering keeping the thing running. Was there some massive leap in automation in the last 20 years making it possible for a handful of bridge crew to do everything?
They had a very strong Union back in the day.

"We dont need this many people....Geordi takes care of most of this on his own!"

But you're contractually obligated to employ them anyways!
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One thing about the D I don't understand though is in TNG, that ship had thousands of crew members, hundreds of which were in engineering keeping the thing running. Was there some massive leap in automation in the last 20 years making it possible for a handful of bridge crew to do everything?
I had no issue with that part. It’s basically the same as Star Trek III when Kirk and crew stole the Enterprise and operated it without anyone else on board. You just have to go with it.
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