[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

I think some people have a need for drama and goofballs in the media like to feed it. I'm not convinced there's anything to see.

9 years where he did some good things but results were average to poor.
For him to want a change would be completely normal.
For the team not to back up the truck with term, money or control would also be normal.
For there to be tension in the room and between leadership after a horrible season, still normal.

If you look for the places where everyone is happy and getting extended they tend to be winning. Or at least exceeding expectations. Tre was among the longest serving GMs in the league. He was in the group with CLB and WIN but with somehow even less success, and those GMs should probably be gone too.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

I think some people have a need for drama and goofballs in the media like to feed it. I'm not convinced there's anything to see.

9 years where he did some good things but results were average to poor.
For him to want a change would be completely normal.
For the team not to back up the truck with term, money or control would also be normal.
For there to be tension in the room and between leadership after a horrible season, still normal.

If you look for the places where everyone is happy and getting extended they tend to be winning. Or at least exceeding expectations. Tre was among the longest serving GMs in the league. He was in the group with CLB and WIN but with somehow even less success, and those GMs should probably be gone too.

I'd say maybe you have something...except we just went through a season that:

- set a new NHL record for biggest production drop-off by a player (Huberdeau)
- longest serving, great community guy asked for a trade like 10 months and then seemed very noncommittal in returning to the organization after his contract concludes
- our #1 centre when asked if he'd be open to an extension responded with "I have one year left, that's all I'll say"
- our GM walked away from a contract offer...which may be one of the first times if not the first time that such a situation has been confirmed. The Flames wanted him to return.
- we lost our two best players within a couple weeks of each other last summer

Yes, winning soothes all. So what's the plan to start winning at a consistent basis for the first time in something like 30 years?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If Lindholm thought Huberdeau wasn't going to be the highest paid player in Flames history he's crazy. Anything above $7M does that.

Now it's true, I think, that players look at each others' salary's a lot. But If I'm Lindy and I see the Flames hand out a big contract two years before I am up for my new one, I'm thinking about how I can leverage that, not get butthurt about it.

Fair points.

I’m just speculating around the apparent strife between players, which probably isn’t all that uncommon. I’m sure the Flames have had good rooms in the not too distant past but it sure doesn’t seem that way right now.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by lanny_mcdonald

which likely means the meddling narrative is a pile of crap. Again, treliving admitted he had circled back to sutter when he hired ward and sutter wasn't ready. That means treliving was open to sutter being hired, meaning no meddling involved. If edwards got involved it may have been to cajole sutter back into the mix on behalf of the team, but treliving had already made the contact and expressed desire to have sutter back. That is not meddling if the gm was the one who made initial contact. Treliving got what he wanted and got the coach he tried to bring back.

Ownership has reportedly given treliving everything he wanted to stay, including carte blanche to fire sutter if desired. He turned that down. frankly, i think treliving took a look at his own work and realized there was no path forward for being a stanley cup contender with what he put together and the future outlook was not good. He elected to step away based on the lack of future he established in the system. the lack of draft picks is really going to become evident in the next three years when we need the cost controlled players to get us over the hump and they aren't there because of the picks bled for useless players at the deadlines. Those chickens are about to come home to roost, so the guy who was responsible elected to fly the coop. No one meddled in those decisions or moves.

lol

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'd say maybe you have something...except we just went through a season that:

- set a new NHL record for biggest production drop-off by a player (Huberdeau)
- longest serving, great community guy asked for a trade like 10 months and then seemed very noncommittal in returning to the organization after his contract concludes
- our #1 centre when asked if he'd be open to an extension responded with "I have one year left, that's all I'll say"
- our GM walked away from a contract offer...which may be one of the first times if not the first time that such a situation has been confirmed. The Flames wanted him to return.
- we lost our two best players within a couple weeks of each other last summer

Yes, winning soothes all. So what's the plan to start winning at a consistent basis for the first time in something like 30 years?

If Lindholm wants to stay, and signs an extension worth 8 * 8.5-9/aav people on CP would freak out. We're getting older! What a stupid contract! Flames have no vision!

If he gets traded or leaves it will turn negative as well. Lindy didn't want to stay, this organization sucks! No one wants to play for the Flames! Norman is the worst of all billionaires on this earth!

Some people are always looking for the negative angle and the media feeds off of that.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

lol

I don't think he is wrong. If the team was currently in the playoffs contending for the Cup, I doubt Treliving would be walking away. I believe him walking away was strictly a career decision.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

If Lindholm wants to stay, and signs an extension worth 8 * 8.5-9/aav people on CP would freak out. We're getting older! What a stupid contract! Flames have no vision!

If he gets traded or leaves it will turn negative as well. Lindy didn't want to stay, this organization sucks! No one wants to play for the Flames! Norman is the worst of all billionaires on this earth!

Some people are always looking for the negative angle and the media feeds off of that.

I’d be fine with Lindholm extending. I don’t know how you’d make it all work capwise, but I wouldn’t hate it. I just think that you need to get an answer from him this summer on if he wants to sign long term or not. I don’t think another Gaudreau situation is what the Flames need

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'd say maybe you have something...except we just went through a season that:

- set a new NHL record for biggest production drop-off by a player (Huberdeau)
- longest serving, great community guy asked for a trade like 10 months and then seemed very noncommittal in returning to the organization after his contract concludes
- our #1 centre when asked if he'd be open to an extension responded with "I have one year left, that's all I'll say"
- our GM walked away from a contract offer...which may be one of the first times if not the first time that such a situation has been confirmed. The Flames wanted him to return.
- we lost our two best players within a couple weeks of each other last summer

Sure. People will order that based on the assumptions they are making going in. My cause and effect is much more simple.

The team has had no meaningful success
The 2 best players left
The new players did not perform
The team stunk

So it should surprise no one that
The GM left
A 34 yr old looking at for sure his last contract signalled he'll move on if he can't win here
A 29 year old looking at his last big payday isn't jumping to commit to a team that has never had success in his lifetime.

Some people want that to be scandalous. It isn't.
Tkachuk leaving wasn't a drama. He gets to live in flip flops, make twice as much, and play in great facilities. Why would Lindholm or Backlund not see it and think if I can't win a cup I should at least have that.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Sure. People will order that based on the assumptions they are making going in. My cause and effect is much more simple.

The team has had no meaningful success
The 2 best players left
The new players did not perform
The team stunk

So it should surprise no one that
The GM left
A 34 yr old looking at for sure his last contract signalled he'll move on if he can't win here
A 29 year old looking at his last big payday isn't jumping to commit to a team that has never had success in his lifetime.

Some people want that to be scandalous. It isn't.
Tkachuk leaving wasn't a drama. He gets to live in flip flops, make twice as much, and play in great facilities. Why would Lindholm or Backlund not see it and think if I can't win a cup I should at least have that.

That's still showing major issues in the franchis.there is the obvious discrepancy between the players and management.if top players are leaving because they can't see winning a cup hereeven though we have a HoF coach, yet management is views this old roster as a competitor, that's a pretty massive issue. You cant be losing 2 top players a season. Throw in your long tenured GM walking. There's obvious issues. What they are is up for discussion. If you want to call it a scandal is semantics. But there are defintely massive issues.

[Igottago]

The Flames desperately need to find their next Iginla. A player who is considered amongst the best in the world, is an on and off ice leader, will attract good players to the team, represents the community with class, and has hall of fame potential. You need that foundational piece to build around. I think it would help if that next great player is Canadian as well. Someone who has roots in Canada and isn't looking to get out at the first opportunity.

I don't know how you get this without a rebuild and some pain.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think he is wrong. If the team was currently in the playoffs contending for the Cup, I doubt Treliving would be walking away. I believe him walking away was strictly a career decision.

But that’s not what Lanny said. What I took from what he said is that Treliving made such a mess of it he cut and run.

I don’t think that’s accurate, at all.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by traptor

That's still showing major issues in the franchis.there is the obvious discrepancy between the players and management.if top players are leaving because they can't see winning a cup hereeven though we have a HoF coach, yet management is views this old roster as a competitor, that's a pretty massive issue. You cant be losing 2 top players a season. Throw in your long tenured GM walking. There's obvious issues. What they are is up for discussion. If you want to call it a scandal is semantics. But there are defintely massive issues.

If the issues are 'obvious' then what they are isn't really up for discussion, or a question of semantics. But you didn't say what they were so I don't know what you mean.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

If we win the cup and Murray Edwards wants to name himself GM, head coach, and starting goalie directly after I'm ok with that.

Although we went to an Astros game a couple of weeks ago, and there were signs and announcements about their "dynasty". You've won twice separated by 5 years - that isn't a dynasty. I thought it was pretty cringy.

I wouldn’t call it a dynasty either and no one affiliated with the club is saying that either. It’s a great run though, ALCS for 6 straight season, 4 WS appearance and 2 wins.

The official line is “golden era” of Astros baseball which seems about right.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by TOfan

But that’s not what Lanny said. What I took from what he said is that Treliving made such a mess of it he cut and run.

I don’t think that’s accurate, at all.

Why he runs ?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think he is wrong. If the team was currently in the playoffs contending for the Cup, I doubt Treliving would be walking away. I believe him walking away was strictly a career decision.

Career decision covers a lot of things. The post I quoted suggested that Treliving looked at his own work, decided it was horrific, and ran away.

Again, laughable.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Why he runs ?

He doesn't runs.

You trolls.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

If the issues are 'obvious' then what they are isn't really up for discussion, or a question of semantics. But you didn't say what they were so I don't know what you mean.

Sorry on my phone and not doing a very good job at typing.

What I meant to say was
With so many key people leaving, there's obviously an issue, although the issue itself is not obvious.

Based on recent comments from players and management/owners it seems like theres a discrepancy between all parties. Players ( and some management) are jumping off a sinking ship, whereas management seems to think their competitive. This discrepancy is an issue.

Whatever you want to call all this unfolding is semantics, but theres obviously something negative happening.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

If Lindholm wants to stay, and signs an extension worth 8 * 8.5-9/aav people on CP would freak out. We're getting older! What a stupid contract! Flames have no vision!

If he gets traded or leaves it will turn negative as well. Lindy didn't want to stay, this organization sucks! No one wants to play for the Flames! Norman is the worst of all billionaires on this earth!

Some people are always looking for the negative angle and the media feeds off of that.

Certainly not how I'd look at it.

I look at two things:

- Does Lindy want to stay?
- Is Lindholm a good enough centre to build a top team around?

It seems Lindy does not want to stay, so that kind of makes the debate around point two less important - but I'm also not sold on Lindy being able to be a top-line centre that is the key piece on that top line.

As far looking for the negative angle, when you have a season like this past one, and a history like the Flames' - you don't have to look for negative angles.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Career decision covers a lot of things. The post I quoted suggested that Treliving looked at his own work, decided it was horrific, and ran away.

Again, laughable.

Yeah. I doubt Tre would’ve look at his own work as being bad and then decide to leave because of that. The org wouldn’t have offered him another contract if they thought his work was bad

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Certainly not how I'd look at it.

I look at two things:

- Does Lindy want to stay?
- Is Lindholm a good enough centre to build a top team around?

It seems Lindy does not want to stay, so that kind of makes the debate around point two less important - but I'm also not sold on Lindy being able to be a top-line centre that is the key piece on that top line.

As far looking for the negative angle, when you have a season like this past one, and a history like the Flames' - you don't have to look for negative angles.

He can definitely be a 1B on a cup team, so that's a piece you keep no matter what.

It's mutually beneficial to extend. Does Lindholm really want to risk $70M to have a little bit more control over where he plays? Look no further than Johnny to see just how little control you can get in UFA. Better to negotiate an NTC so you will have some control if/when he definitely does want out.