Are flames fans concerned about the team leaving if the arena situation falls through

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by wired

I am expecting the team to be sold and moved before an agreement for a new arena is set in stone. Nothing to do with the fans, and everything to do with the city.
Owners should foot the bill for an arena outside the city limits. that way they have 100% ownership and no interference from the city.

Can’t tell if mad at city or the Flames haha

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by butterfly

We should have a dedicated thread for arguing. Then we can talk about the actual thread topic in all the others.

It's more like old married couple bickering... lol

Besides whats there to talk about? The Flames will never move. Like Bonded said earlier, they would rather than expand than re-locate. the Coyotes is the perfect example of that.

[GioforPM]

I just threw up in my mouth a bit.

[Beninho]

In this scenario do we get an expansion team in the future with the same tilted rules that Vegas and Seattle got? Probably not a terrible alternative considering.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Beninho

In this scenario do we get an expansion team in the future with the same tilted rules that Vegas and Seattle got? Probably not a terrible alternative considering.

I’m sure they’d be similar. But you are looking 5-10 years after the team leaves. There’s no way an expansion happens before then.

[kevman]

Calgary's population has grown from ~600,000 when the Flames moved here, to ~850,000 in the mid 90's when the threat to leave was real, and now to ~1.35 million. This isn't the same small market team it used to be. Add in hockey being "Canada's sport" factor and this is a profitable location for an NHL team.

Not worried, and if they do leave, good riddance.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

It's more like old married couple bickering... lol

Besides whats there to talk about? The Flames will never move. Like Bonded said earlier, they would rather than expand than re-locate. the Coyotes is the perfect example of that.

We're an old married couple and would never bicker about something as ridiculous as that.

[carmenshoes]

Isn't there an Event Centre Committee coming with a new proposal?

What will the new deal look like?

[GullFoss]

The CSEC and City of Calgary had a deal pre-covid in which the flames were responsible for 100% of cost overruns. Before construction started, covid hit. And then cost overruns we're going to be 20%-40%. Which is valued at close to $100m-$200m of additional costs for the flames.

People who think the deal died over some solar panels are missing the obvious.

The new deal is going to be split exactly like the old deal, but will reflect the new higher, post-covid cost. And the flames will accept some $10m-$20m in clown climate items to make the deal more palatable from a political perspective.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

As someone who has never lived outside of Lower Mainland so has no connection to Calgary and as someone who couldn’t think about living in your cold winters, I would be absolutely crushed if the Flames ever left Calgary.

I can’t see myself cheering for another team even if it’s the same franchise. Maybe I could come around to cheering for the Houston or Atlanta Flames but I doubt it. I can’t see myself cheering for an expansion Calgary team after a handful of years off also.

My hockey viewing in general would take a pretty big hit. I like the NHL but I’m a flames fan first so not sure I would pay much attention to the league unless I had a genuine connection to a team and that’s hard for me to do. It has to be genuine or I’m not there.


I don’t see a move happening so I’m not worried but if it did, it would be crushing for me personally.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If a new arena isn't built by the time the Saddledome's life is up, then the Flames will leave. That should be pretty obvious to anyone.

Your level of concern should be equal to your level of pessimism or optimism that a new arena breaks ground within the next 4 years.

Whether or not the current Flames owners want to keep owning a team in Calgary is another issue. If they are purposely sabotaging arena agreements with the City as some people suggest, that is a really bad sign. That's something that happens if owners want out but want to scapegoat someone else. If you think the owners are seriously trying to get something done, that is a really good sign because no one builds an arena if they don't intend to stay. I have no idea if either side is acting in bad faith, but it doesn't really matter.

People can point to the Flames being a valuable franchise in the Calgary market, but there are places it could be even more valuable especially if those places have brand new facilities that will give a sweetheart deal to a tenant. For the NHL as a whole, I don't think they care if Calgary has a team or not and I doubt if you see the work put in the ensure they stay, like they did in Arizona and Pittsburgh.

The Flames are not going anywhere. If the Flames ownership can't get an arena deal done they will be forced to sell to another group that will. That is the way the NHL works under Bettman, there are plenty of suitors willing to buy the team and keep them in Calgary. Edwards can't just take his ball and go elsewhere, it doesn't work that way.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

You really have to stop obsessing about me. It's not healthy. lol

Umm, have you not figured out GioPM's schtick yet? Once you have a disagreement with him he will stalk your posts and disagree with everything you post, evening he actually doesn't disagree with what you are saying lol. It's comical man, don't sweat it

Edit: I am just busting Gio's balls. Love ya Gio!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

So why the hell did you put out your real name, resume, life achievements in a Flames GT? like not weird? lol

You prob should have just put me on the ignore list like you said you would, when you got busted for making up stats a few months back.

Anyhow as for the arena it will get done, either with Edwards or a new owner.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by wired

I am expecting the team to be sold and moved before an agreement for a new arena is set in stone. Nothing to do with the fans, and everything to do with the city.
Owners should foot the bill for an arena outside the city limits. that way they have 100% ownership and no interference from the city.

Will never happen. The team would have to be offered to a buyer who would keep the team in Calgary, the Endy guy has already spoken about wanting the team. There would be others that would partner with him as well. Edwards can't just sell the team and then the new owner moves them. Hell, there would be a team in Hamilton right now if that was possible.

[Boreal]

No

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Will never happen. The team would have to be offered to a buyer who would keep the team in Calgary, the Endy guy has already spoken about wanting the team. There would be others that would partner with him as well. Edwards can't just sell the team and then the new owner moves them. Hell, there would be a team in Hamilton right now if that was possible.

Murray isn’t moving the team, he would just sell. And it would be to the highest bidder. Not “to a buyer who would keep the team in Calgary” especially without a new arena.

Much ado about nothing because he won’t sell and the new arena will get built.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

The city already did...CSEC walked away.

Only after dingbat Gondek changed the goalposts on them. Keep electing these libtard mayors in Calgary and we will be without a team in a few years!!

[ZedMan]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Murray isn’t moving the team, he would just sell. And it would be to the highest bidder. Not “to a buyer who would keep the team in Calgary” especially without a new arena.

Much ado about nothing because he won’t sell and the new arena will get built.

That's clearly not true or else Jim Balsillie would own the Coyotes and they wouldn't be in Arizona.

The NHL has shown their preference against moving teams and with two recent healthy expansion examples they'll be even less willing.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Murray isn’t moving the team, he would just sell. And it would be to the highest bidder. Not “to a buyer who would keep the team in Calgary” especially without a new arena.

Much ado about nothing because he won’t sell and the new arena will get built.

That isn't how it works. The team has to be offered to a local buyer first or a buyer that wants to keep the franchise where it currently is. He can't just sell and the board of directors and the NHL has to ok that sale.

[Two Fivenagame]

Happy to see this franchise leave, honestly.
Hundreds of millions of tax dollars should be spent on upgrading our aging sports and recreation infrastructure, some of which were built in the 60's.