[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Ashasx]

you should absolutely not execute on Sutter's vision of a hockey team.

Let coaches coach and managers manage.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Letting Sutter off after he chased off two core players and the GM would be wild. He needs to pay the price as well. He should have zero input with a new GM.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

you should absolutely not execute on Sutter's vision of a hockey team.

Let coaches coach and managers manage.

A classic Jay Feaster quote

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Letting Sutter off after he chased off two core players and the GM would be wild. He needs to pay the price as well. He should have zero input with a new GM.

The coach is not going to to have any say realistically unless this team is even more messed up than it already is (which would be near impossible). Either way, your comments are baseless and unfounded. Whether you like the coach or not, he did not chase off two core players in any way. Instead of pouting and underperforming about the demands of the coach to career worst seasons, Tkachuk and Gaudreau rose to the challenge and had career years.

The Flames went down a path that led them to giving said players a ton of leverage last off season - which they both executed on. Whether we like it or not, the primary reason these players left is because they didn't want to live in the city for another 7 years.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No they tried to start competing right after making the playoffs hence the Dougie Hamilton trade for two 1sts and 2 seconds. They failed and lucked into Matthew Tkachuk and tried to compete right after that as well with the horrific signing for Troy Bouwer.

It was 1 first and 2 seconds for a 22 year old potential all star. A younger, better player than Chychrun for the same price - and his trade was panned.

Leaving the team with an all star calibre player at centre (x2), wing, and D, all under 23.That's brilliant.

In typical flames fashion it went to #### but the flames were clearly rebuilding ~2011-2016, and clearly should have been trying to take the next step afterward.

I think some need to remember when.
The flames had 18 yr old Sam, Mony, Johnny, Then Hamilton, and Tkachuk.
You'd be nuts not to add to that group with UFAs and go for it.

Looking back it's crazy how close they came. The difference between the Flames then and the Devils now is .. Mony's injuries and the Harmonic deal not working out?

While the Mullets in the north did everything wrong but just kept winning lotteries the Flames did almost everything right and lost anyway.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I think this is the better outcome vs Tre leaving in a year or two. I think you bring in a GM who can work with Sutter. Say like Maloney and Sutter basically running shotgun. Execute the vision Sutter thinks he needs to make a run next year. And if it fails, you fire Sutter, bring in a new GM to start fresh and rebuild next off-season.

What if Sutter’s vision involves trading the 2023 1st and some of our prospects?

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't think Treliving and Sutter differ than much on their vision of a hockey team. Sutter took a team, mostly assembled by Treliving before here was hired, and led them to a 111 point season and division title.

Core players that were hand picked by Treliving left, whether that was egregious mismanagement or not is debatable. They were replaced with 2 players to replace them that were the best possible he could find, but likely not optimal even in his eyes. I doubt Treliving would have switched out Gaudreau, Monahan, and Tkachuk for Kadri, Huberdeau, and Weegar, if he wasn't forced into that corner. His first choice would probably have been Sutter's as well.

Maybe there was some interpersonal stuff going on between the two, but as far as hockey vision goes, I bet they weren't that different.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

It was 1 first and 2 seconds for a 22 year old potential all star. A younger, better player than Chychrun for the same price - and his trade was panned.

Leaving the team with an all star calibre player at centre (x2), wing, and D, all under 23.That's brilliant.

In typical flames fashion it went to #### but the flames were clearly rebuilding ~2011-2016, and clearly should have been trying to take the next step afterward.

I think some need to remember when.
The flames had 18 yr old Sam, Mony, Johnny, Then Hamilton, and Tkachuk.
You'd be nuts not to add to that group with UFAs and go for it.

Looking back it's crazy how close they came. The difference between the Flames then and the Devils now is .. Mony's injuries and the Harmonic deal not working out?

While the Mullets in the north did everything wrong but just kept winning lotteries the Flames did almost everything right and lost anyway.

The difference is that Sam Bennett was a bust relatively speaking to where he was drafted and Monahan had such a rapid decline (mostly injury related). If Bennett had panned out even remotely close to what a top 5 pick now typically does in the NHL, the Flames would have been off and running with Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Tkachuk upfront.

This should have been the Flames elite top 6 duos for the next 7-8 years to go along with Backlund holding down the third line during this time. It all went south there from my standpoint when it was clear Bennett had much larger flaws than anticipated and Monahan was unable to make it through a season healthy.

[MrMike]

Let’s all just hope someday Treliving writes a book and doesn’t skip over too many details

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Letting Sutter off after he chased off two core players and the GM would be wild. He needs to pay the price as well. He should have zero input with a new GM.

The fact you think Sutter chased off those listed is 100% garbage. The circle points directly to Murray Edwards as he is majority owner. He lowballed Johnny 7.5-8x8 (Tre wanted to go 9.5 and it was a flat no…he hung up) He didn’t want to go long term with Matthew when his camped wanted too (“I don’t pay 50 point kids 8Million”) and he undermined the GM and extended the HC because players already told them LAST summer they wanted out from here because of the “Intensity”.

He pressured BT into extending Huberdeau without playing a ####ing game. He was upset Johnny walked away from 84 Million dollars he wanted to prove he was a entitled prick. Murray Edwards walked away from a closed arena deal for 20 ####ing million of solar panels.

Wake the #### up Flames fans. This isn’t sutter, this isn’t the GM.

This is your ####ing meddling billionaire owner. Who only cares about money and money only. He could careless about if we stop showing up. He will sell the team and he has all the power. He doesn’t give a #### about a product only that it makes money.

Guy sends his #### wagon John Bean out to act all frantic, dodge any meaningful questions because he know we always go away easy. Bean is a money man who makes you pay 2 ####ing dollars for butter when the large bag costs 30 cents to produce and sell for 7 dollars…

Wake up Flames Fans.

[Manhattanboy]

Actually I don’t think Edwards is the majority owner. He is the managing partner.

I believe the partners own equally.

[cowtown75]

Wonder if we will see Dean Lombardi as next GM. Sutter and him have worked together twice. In SJ and in LA. This would not be a shocker to me.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Actually I don’t think Edwards is the majority owner. He is the managing partner.

I believe the partners own equally.

They own different amounts I think and Edwards owns the most, according to most sources. He's also (by far) the most involved. The others are 68-91 years old. Even if they are even, they've ceded authority to him.

[MissTeeks]

Francis with a list of potential GMs:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...ople-love-him/

Conroy at the top of his list.

But what Burke can speak to is how highly Conroy has long been regarded inside the organization that is now searching for Brad Treliving’s replacement.

“No question, the plan was for Connie to be the GM one day,” said Burke, who was relieved as president of hockey operations by the Penguins last week.

“Ken (King) told me that.”

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

It was 1 first and 2 seconds for a 22 year old potential all star. A younger, better player than Chychrun for the same price - and his trade was panned.

Leaving the team with an all star calibre player at centre (x2), wing, and D, all under 23.That's brilliant.

In typical flames fashion it went to #### but the flames were clearly rebuilding ~2011-2016, and clearly should have been trying to take the next step afterward.

I think some need to remember when.
The flames had 18 yr old Sam, Mony, Johnny, Then Hamilton, and Tkachuk.
You'd be nuts not to add to that group with UFAs and go for it.

Looking back it's crazy how close they came. The difference between the Flames then and the Devils now is .. Mony's injuries and the Harmonic deal not working out?

While the Mullets in the north did everything wrong but just kept winning lotteries the Flames did almost everything right and lost anyway.

I am not disagreeing with it being a great trade, but that trade doesn't signal a rebuild its adding a major piece to make the next step which is keep making the playoffs. We face planted into the 6th pick, it wasn't part of the plan is what I am saying.

We had a talented roster, but its unfortunate they hired Glen and he sewered Sam Bennett.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Sec214

The fact you think Sutter chased off those listed is 100% garbage. The circle points directly to Murray Edwards as he is majority owner. He lowballed Johnny 7.5-8x8 (Tre wanted to go 9.5 and it was a flat no…he hung up) He didn’t want to go long term with Matthew when his camped wanted too (“I don’t pay 50 point kids 8Million”) and he undermined the GM and extended the HC because players already told them LAST summer they wanted out from here because of the “Intensity”.

He pressured BT into extending Huberdeau without playing a ####ing game. He was upset Johnny walked away from 84 Million dollars he wanted to prove he was a entitled prick. Murray Edwards walked away from a closed arena deal for 20 ####ing million of solar panels.

Wake the #### up Flames fans. This isn’t sutter, this isn’t the GM.

This is your ####ing meddling billionaire owner. Who only cares about money and money only. He could careless about if we stop showing up. He will sell the team and he has all the power. He doesn’t give a #### about a product only that it makes money.

Guy sends his #### wagon John Bean out to act all frantic, dodge any meaningful questions because he know we always go away easy. Bean is a money man who makes you pay 2 ####ing dollars for butter when the large bag costs 30 cents to produce and sell for 7 dollars…

Wake up Flames Fans.

But he was a 77 point kid and he still gave him the highest AAV tied with Iggy in Flames history.

But yes Edwards is a part of the problem and his relationship with Sutter is sabotaging the organization.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

It was 1 first and 2 seconds for a 22 year old potential all star. A younger, better player than Chychrun for the same price - and his trade was panned.

Leaving the team with an all star calibre player at centre (x2), wing, and D, all under 23.That's brilliant.

In typical flames fashion it went to #### but the flames were clearly rebuilding ~2011-2016, and clearly should have been trying to take the next step afterward.

I think some need to remember when.
The flames had 18 yr old Sam, Mony, Johnny, Then Hamilton, and Tkachuk.
You'd be nuts not to add to that group with UFAs and go for it.

That's where you lost me. I loved the Hamilton deal and you're right, it set them up with another core piece. I loved the 2nd Hamilton deal too...

But jumping into free agency? Not yet, unless you are somehow landing a star player. Middling players like Brouwer, Neal, and Coleman are overpaid the day they sign and don't move the needle. They should be the final pieces, not building blocks.

Likewise, another swing for the fences trade for Hamonic was too much. They needed to be patient. Draft a couple more 1st rounders and a handful of second rounders and build real organizational depth. Then, when you're good and ready, trade some of your prospect depth for players who are ready now and sign a key FA to finish the puzzle. That's the recipe - look at how the Kings built.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Where there's smoke there's fire I guess, I heard that from 2 sources but also that the flames wanted $7.5m x 8 or something around $8m x 6

Could you imagine this team with Johnny on line one, hubby (with no pressure) on line 2, and monny instead of Kadri, with an extra 1st on our pocket?

[MrMike]

Thanks Sec214 for that information. No wonder Tre walked away. Ownership ruined our core and group, and our GM.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Sec214

The fact you think Sutter chased off those listed is 100% garbage. The circle points directly to Murray Edwards as he is majority owner. He lowballed Johnny 7.5-8x8 (Tre wanted to go 9.5 and it was a flat no…he hung up) He didn’t want to go long term with Matthew when his camped wanted too (“I don’t pay 50 point kids 8Million”) and he undermined the GM and extended the HC because players already told them LAST summer they wanted out from here because of the “Intensity”.

He pressured BT into extending Huberdeau without playing a ####ing game. He was upset Johnny walked away from 84 Million dollars he wanted to prove he was a entitled prick. Murray Edwards walked away from a closed arena deal for 20 ####ing million of solar panels.

Wake the #### up Flames fans. This isn’t sutter, this isn’t the GM.

This is your ####ing meddling billionaire owner. Who only cares about money and money only. He could careless about if we stop showing up. He will sell the team and he has all the power. He doesn’t give a #### about a product only that it makes money.

Guy sends his #### wagon John Bean out to act all frantic, dodge any meaningful questions because he know we always go away easy. Bean is a money man who makes you pay 2 ####ing dollars for butter when the large bag costs 30 cents to produce and sell for 7 dollars…

Wake up Flames Fans.

Well I just hope that BT was not your contact and you are still able to continue to provide us with the inside information! Thank you sir!