Steinberg cited contract details (Noting term), and relationship with head coach as being strained.
Friedman discussed that if things were going to be status quo, it wasn't going to see Treliving return, also noted how long some of the player exit interviews were.
So while they said it wasn't a "Choose Sutter or Choose Tree" decision, it was very much if Treliving returns he wants full control and doesn't want to just continue marching forward with his head in the sand.
From Friedman:
I also find this funny that the Flames and Treliving "mutually parted ways" as if it wasn't Treliving walking away from multiple contract offers. Flames trying to spin this into something it wasn't is just sad. Good on Maloney for speaking bluntly in that presser.
I don't really buy what Friedman is saying at all. Treliving turned down contract extensions last off season, that's after a great year and recovery from losing two top players. Don't buy it. The simple answer Maloney gave is probably the truth. Treliving is just burnt out and needs a break.
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Oileresque is definitely the way to describe that conference. While it may not have had as many quotable moments, it gave me Kevin Lowe era vibes. Hopefully it's just a case of two guys being thrown into the unknown, but this organization better get its crap together.
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Rosie would have been a much better linemate for Huberdeau. My eye test from this year also told me that chances off the rush were minimal, but the few times we did get them the 2 forwards who didn't carry the puck often didn't put themselves in a scoring position.
I remember frequently seeing one forward skate below the goal line waiting for a ring around the boards and the other being too high in the slot. This put no screen on the goalie, left a guy in the slot who would have to shoot through traffic and one guy below the goal line with 0 scoring opportunity.
I believe both the system and Huberdeaus linemates contributed to him bombing this season.
Actually, Derek Wills said the Flames were #1 in the league in rush scoring chances in a recent post game. I remember it because I was quite shocked to hear that stat which Loubardias responded with not being surprised. Obviously, their ability to finish on those scoring chances are a completely different story.
I can't find any stats to back that up myself, but I guess them being in biz means they get access to better stats than we do. If some stat wiz can find something to corroborate the above, thumbs up to you.
actually, derek wills said the flames were #1 in the league in rush scoring chances in a recent post game. I remember it because i was quite shocked to hear that stat which loubardias responded with not being surprised. Obviously, their ability to finish on those scoring chances are a completely different story.
I can't find any stats to back that up myself, but i guess them being in biz means they get access to better stats than we do. If some stat wiz can find something to corroborate the above, thumbs up to you.
meh, so long Treliving. He was okay, we can do better. Conroy in the natural successor, hopefully he's chosen. Almost a decade as assistant GM and 12 years in a management role since retiring, if we don't give him a shot someone will in 2-3 years.
He also wasn't the solution. 9 years later, the team accomplished nothing, the cupboards are bare, the cap situation is dire, the core has completely changed over, yet the future looks bleak.
I'll never understand why the Flames' coaches are routinely destroyed in this place, yet the GM who hires all these coaches and picks all players to execute his vision gets a free pass. Even ownership gets dumped on here more than the GM I find. I will never understand this place.
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Based on my eye test, the rush scoring chances for, passes to the slot and o zone cross ice passes being middling to poor is something that confirms my thoughts. I don't remember a ton of cross ice passes off the rush. Being #1 in shots off the rush is very surprising though, good call Sniper.
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-management would rather bet on themselves than stick around.
-the new interim GM, who is in Line for 0 GM jobs, doesn’t want it.
What outside candidate is going to come in to be saddled with “make the playoffs with Huberdeau and Kadri”? Nobody, unless they’re guaranteed the opportunity to rebuild the team after this inevitably fails.
This is a blessing. It’ll force the owners to look in the mirror.
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My tinfoil hat theory is that Sutter wanted Tre gone… he didn’t like the Huberdeau add or any roster decision, so he got an extension signed then completely sabotaged the season so Tre wouldn’t want to come back… He never gave Tre’s younger players many games, kept saying the team built wasn’t good enough, kept rolling out vets and if they did well he could say “see look these guys have experience and know what to do.” If they sucked he could say “this is all I have to work with…the team isn’t good enough.”
Kept trying to put square pegs in round holes on purpose… Next season will be interesting… if they hire a puppet GM or Sutter himself, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a different coaching method and that might come with better results. That’s my theory anyways… too many bad coaching decisions from a guy that knows what he’s doing and a master at mind games to be a coincidence.
Tough to see Treliving go, I believe he's a good man who worked his tail off for the organization. Shortly after he got hired in 2014 my buddy and I recognized him at Cowboys tent and had a great convo with him where we chatted about the team and had some laughs. He definitely didn't need to give a couple early 20's bros as much time as he did. You saw that same spirit come out with most everything the guy did in his time here, always gave the best answer he could, worked hard, called people by name, was a great representative of the team and the community. For all the jokes about "the process" and other mannerisms he said there is a limit to what you can and cannot talk about as a GM and Treliving was better than most, he would lay out his thought process clearly and consistently which I think spoke to his steady hand and intelligence. My big prediction is like many former Flames employees he'll find ultimate success somewhere else in the league.
[QUOTE=Paulie Walnuts;8677990]Isn't his son on the Canes? He is probably young enough to be around crowds that talk about rebuilding all the time and tells his dad.
Maybe he was trying to be playful with the media but he came off terribly.[/Q
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-management would rather bet on themselves than stick around.
-the new interim GM, who is in Line for 0 GM jobs, doesn’t want it.
What outside candidate is going to come in to be saddled with “make the playoffs with Huberdeau and Kadri”? Nobody, unless they’re guaranteed the opportunity to rebuild the team after this inevitably fails.
This is a blessing. It’ll force the owners to look in the mirror.
It's possible to win given all that. Look at the Tampa Bay Rays. They have the worst ballpark in baseball, never want to spend money, nobody wants to go there, and they have perennially competitive teams.
They draft, develop, and constantly replace, without ever offering stupid contracts.
I think it’s a sad day for the organization but may also be for the best. Many of us view Tre as a “wizard” who was one of the most active GMs in the league. But at the same time, the results of the overall body of work are not great. Is he leaving the organization in a better position than when he joined it? Hard to know for sure but I think most of us would say no.
The hardest thing to hear in that presser was the admission that they had a rebuild package on the table for Tkachuk and they chose the win-now package. Hindsight is 20-20 but after missing the playoffs anyway it sure sucks to think of the picks/prospects (and not to mention cap space) we might have had instead.
I really like Treliving as a person, but I think he peaked as a GM of the team in the 2018-19 season. He got the coach that he wanted (obviously that didn't work out in the end) and they were the top team in the Western conference. Even though he just committed one of the largest mistakes he would make (signing James Neal), the team was so good that it was able to overcome Neal.
The other thing was that the team was relatively young. Comparing that roster to this year's roster and using players and goalies that played at least 20 games:
Average age 2018-19: 25.95
Average age 2022-23: 28.58
Obviously, Tkachuk and Bennett were guys that came from very high picks, but look at how many other players were given opportunity that season despite there already being a bunch of young players like Lindholm, Monahan and Gaudreau in leading roles. Sure, Sutter is a factor but so many spots were filled on this roster with older veterans.
2018-19 Players 30 and over:
Smith
Giordano
Ryan
Neal
Frolik
2022-23:
Lewis
Lucic
Backlund
Tanev
Markstrom
Kadri
Stone
Coleman
Toffoli
That's not to say he made all bad moves after 2018-19, I found almost every move he made to have some rhyme and reason to them. Treliving leaves an interesting legacy. He brought respectability and professionalism to the organization and it was fun having a GM that always seemed to be in on the big moves in the league.
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