[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Steinberg citing term as one of the problems too.

This organization chose Darryl and not giving Treliving a longer than two year contract offer by the sounds of it.

Sounds like the organization chose Treliving. But it is kind of fitting that the organization loses Treliving in the same way Treliving lost Gaudreau, isn't it? I'm not sure if it's funny or sad. Probably both.

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Hope so. Came across extremely arrogant and condescending.

The comment about how Maloney (or GM) needs to do his job better so they aren't 7 pts out with 4 games left...bad look.

Yeah, I thought that comment was especially bad. Just trying to riff and accidentally throwing the guy who just quit under the bus. Nice.

[JurassicTunga12]

Thank you Brad Treliving for your time with the Flames. Loved that he stood up for the city and fans when Tkachuk and Gaudreau left and the media were banging on the nobody likes Calgary drum.

Good luck on your future endeavours, Brad!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sounds like the organization chose Treliving. But it is kind of fitting that the organization loses Treliving in the same way Treliving lost Gaudreau, isn't it? I'm not sure if it's funny or sad. Probably both.



Yeah, I thought that comment was especially bad. Just trying to riff and accidentally throwing the guy who just quit under the bus. Nice.

What they said was a bit all over the place.

Steinberg cited contract details (Noting term), and relationship with head coach as being strained.

Friedman discussed that if things were going to be status quo, it wasn't going to see Treliving return, also noted how long some of the player exit interviews were.

So while they said it wasn't a "Choose Sutter or Choose Tree" decision, it was very much if Treliving returns he wants full control and doesn't want to just continue marching forward with his head in the sand.

From Friedman:

"It is believed a deteriorating relationship with Sutter played a major role in the GM’s decision, that the two could not continue working together and really hadn’t communicated well in some time."

I also find this funny that the Flames and Treliving "mutually parted ways" as if it wasn't Treliving walking away from multiple contract offers. Flames trying to spin this into something it wasn't is just sad. Good on Maloney for speaking bluntly in that presser.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Treliving's contract is up on June 30th, is it expected that he will be working on the draft etc while mentoring whoever the new GM will be?

Was this specifically mentioned anywhere? Seems an odd date to me...July 30 would make a lot more sense as the true middle of the off-season.

[Classic_Sniper]

Well, the day has finally arrived. Not even sure what to think right now. On one hand, it's probably deserved seeing how little Treliving accomplished after nearly a decade with pretty ideal circumstances.

I think the guy is a good GM, he's smart, works as hard as anyone and is a shrewed negotiator. But I will not miss his talent evaluation skills. He fell in love with a lot of expensive, mediocre, complimentary players to go along with all those buyouts/trades and it ultimately handicapped him during a very critical window.

The Flames should've been legitimate Stanley Cup contenders from 2018-2022, but he couldn't make up his mind on who the right coach should've been either. Flip flopping from player's coach to hard-ass with all kinds of different systems. It's probably a good thing both sides are moving on, but I'm not confident that this organization will be able to find the right person to lead this team to contender status either.

I could see this organization making another mediocre choice and end up with mediocre results again for the next decade. This franchise's history over the last 30+ years would suggest that. I do pray that whoever they select, they have the right vision and critical eye needed to make the right personnel decisions. That would solve so many things that have befallen this franchise over the years/decades.

[SuperMatt18]

In the end I think the biggest issue between Treliving and Edwards has always been Tre wanting full autonomy and Edwards not granting that - and that just probably was magnified with Sutter who has a direct line to Edwards as well.

In the end if they were only willing to provide a 2 year extension then they made their own bed - because no GM with the reputation Treliving has around the league would like that offer.

[keenan87]

Awesome news! All the best to Treliving but the team needs a new direction.

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Was this specifically mentioned anywhere? Seems an odd date to me...July 30 would make a lot more sense as the true middle of the off-season.

John Bean said his contract expires on June 30th, it is the day before free agency and a day after the draft

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Naitix

John Bean said his contract expires on June 30th, it is the day before free agency and a day after the draft

Who's making the draft picks?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

What they said was a bit all over the place.

Steinberg cited contract details (Noting term), and relationship with head coach as being strained.

Friedman discussed that if things were going to be status quo, it wasn't going to see Treliving return, also noted how long some of the player exit interviews were.

So while they said it wasn't a "Choose Sutter or Choose Tree" decision, it was very much if Treliving returns he wants full control and doesn't want to just continue marching forward with his head in the sand.

From Friedman:



I also find this funny that the Flames and Treliving "mutually parted ways" as if it wasn't Treliving walking away from multiple contract offers. Flames trying to spin this into something it wasn't is just sad. Good on Maloney for speaking bluntly in that presser.

Totally agree on loving Maloney's transparency. I think though things aren't fully black and white. Sounds like there were scenarios where Treliving would have stayed, whether that's term, $, get rid of Daryl.........whatever it was, if there were scenarios where he would have come back, then it is mutual. If Brad says I'll stay if XYZ, and the Flames say no but we want you back. And in the end, they don't agree on terms and neither side bends on the ask, it is a mutual decision, it's not spin, it's just the truth. They both agreed to stop negotiating and mutually agree to move on.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Who's making the draft picks?

Maloney, if he is still the interim GM, or whoever the next GM is. They will probably be heavily relying on Todd Button and the other scouts. I imagine that the Flames will request that Treliving provides all of his notes to Maloney as they are property of the Flames. I am sure Treliving has already offered to anyway and will likely be available to the Flames management if they want to discuss anything.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Agreed there, putting up 115 points with Bennett and Duclair tells me that Huberdeau and one of our younger guys (Coronato, Duehr) and possibly a young, faster center could have real chemistry.

I'm starting to get worked up again....but looking back at the season, I just don't know why Ruzicka was pulled out of the lineup and Ritchie was given the golden ticket.

Here's a prospect that's working out pretty well....what to do? I know, we'll bring in a player 5 years old, who probably represents that player's floor and give him all the ice time.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Treliving's contract is up on June 30th, is it expected that he will be working on the draft etc while mentoring whoever the new GM will be?

Yikes.

That will not be a fun draft situation if the next GM isn't on deck. A guy working out the string representing the team.

[Ferarri]

Really didn't like the tone from Bean this afternoon and made me angry towards the organization. Came across as very arrogant and cold which is not the person you want leading the charge in a fan generated business. Goes to show how good we had things with Ken King. He should strictly be limited to the business side of things (such as arena negotiations) and not in front of a camera when it comes to addressing the fan base on hockey related decisions.

There is definitely an image factor that goes with operating a sports team and he failed miserably with that task. You don't get a good feeling with him in either a PR role or conduit between the team and fans. His standoffish attempt to answer questions is a bad look for the team when they should be doing a better job in a damage control capacity.

Malhoney was refreshing and sincere in his address but it really does seem like the team has no plan or direction (at least at this moment, which could be fair given Brad's resignation). Bean's phrase about the word rebuild being forbidden was just plain stupid. If that is indeed true then the team is out to lunch as to how you win in this league and acquire talent.

I always like to support the team but something about Bean's attitude and arrogance makes me question how much money I'm willing to invest into the team next season.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Yikes.

That will not be a fun draft situation if the next GM isn't on deck. A guy working out the string representing the team.

Brad won't be working the draft. They announced today that he has left the team. So probably still under contract, he's no longer with the team

I assume its like when you give your employer 2 weeks notice because you got hired at the competition and they walk you out instead of making you work the 2 weeks

At least that's how I interpret it.

[Manhattanboy]

Murray get your act together and ink a deal on a new building or sell to a group that will.

This is ridiculous.

[Manhattanboy]

Ya I was never impressed with John Bean.

There’s an arrogance there that he might have inherited from ownership.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Brad won't be working the draft. They announced today that he has left the team. So probably still under contract, he's no longer with the team

I assume its like when you give your employer 2 weeks notice because you got hired at the competition and they walk you out instead of making you work the 2 weeks

At least that's how I interpret it.

As do I and you wouldn't want to keep him, not saying that he would but he could give some intel out to a potential new team, plus it would be awkward.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by blankall

I'm starting to get worked up again....but looking back at the season, I just don't know why Ruzicka was pulled out of the lineup and Ritchie was given the golden ticket.

Here's a prospect that's working out pretty well....what to do? I know, we'll bring in a player 5 years old, who probably represents that player's floor and give him all the ice time.

Rosie would have been a much better linemate for Huberdeau. My eye test from this year also told me that chances off the rush were minimal, but the few times we did get them the 2 forwards who didn't carry the puck often didn't put themselves in a scoring position.

I remember frequently seeing one forward skate below the goal line waiting for a ring around the boards and the other being too high in the slot. This put no screen on the goalie, left a guy in the slot who would have to shoot through traffic and one guy below the goal line with 0 scoring opportunity.

I believe both the system and Huberdeaus linemates contributed to him bombing this season.

[tvp2003]

From the Friedman article:

The Flames had factions this year, which included player-versus-player. That happens when your season doesn’t go how you wanted or expected. The priority must be injecting youth into the roster and making Jonathan Huberdeau work. Some of that is on the player, but it’s also on the environment around him.

After a tumultuous summer, I'm sure Huby didn't win over many teammates with this big contract and slow start. Same with Kadri. Plus the guys that liked Sutter versus those who didn't. Winning cures a lot of things, and I wonder if last year's success didn't mask a lot of issues under the surface and within the locker room.