[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Because it's such a half-ass approach.

Letting go of Treliving only to promote the guy he's spent the past 15 seasons with to oversee the changes moving forward? I don't see how the organizational mindset or approach has changed at all with this news. If anything it suggests to me that it will remain the same.

Moving on from Tre should have signaled a complete revamping of hockey operations.

We have a meddling ownership group, in a non desirable small Canadian market, that has the worst facilities in the sport. The outlook is incredibly bleak at the moment.

It seems more like Treliving moved on, not the Flames.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Toonage

C'mon Don, pull the trigger. Fire the coach

I doubt he is allowed. Edwards and Sutter are thick as thieves. They will steal all of the joy out of cheering for this team.

[Burning Beard]

I'm not super sad Treliving is gone. He seems like a quality person and ran the Flames with class so I wish him the best, but 9 years is a long time and the results weren't there.

If Sutter falters again next year then let him go and bring up Love. Seems like an easy road to follow.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Interesting that Francis insinuating some people in the organization toughed out the locker room stuff because of Treliving and now he's gone they will want out.

For as much flack as Francis gets (often deservedly so) he's really the only non-sycophant for the org and asks tough questions.

I mean, the rest of the Fan crew is completely devoid of critical thinking in terms of the org's moves. After the season Pat was more critical but held the line all season. Someone like Wills is unlistenable regarding the organization.

[MrMike]

So what are the odds Treliving has a “wink wink nudge nudge” job already lined up for himself?

[bax]

Originally Posted by Igottago

The hand wringing about this is hilarious. The Flames accomplished very little under Treliving and he was around for a decade. Why people wanted to hang on to the status quo is baffling. Let's see what a new architect can do.

You’re missing the bigger picture. There is no new architect. We already know who it is and it’s Murray Edwards. The status quo moving forward will be the same.

[mile]

I think Francis just said he already heard from multiple people that they want the GM job?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think the meddling owners comment might be fair to say still.

Being able to fire Sutter does not mean full autonomy.

I wouldn't be surprised if Treliving was just sick of dealing with Edwards in general, and even being able to fire Sutter might not have been enough to keep him here at this point.

(And to be clear I don't blame Edwards for meddling, if I owned a hockey team I would meddle too. Hell I'd probably just Jerry Jones it and name myself GM. But I do think that meddling does make the GM's job harder)

That's totally fair. Serious question, where does the meddling owners theories really come from with this team? I ask because I've never really heard any credible media type source (like Friedman) talk about it with the Flames, like I have with other orgs, like say Vancouver.

Doesn't mean I haven't missed it, very possible. But it just seems to me it's only fans on here that bring it up, and it seems to be a far more re-occurring topic when we have a very polarizing topic like arena funding surfacing. Are there any legs to it really? Is it just perspective? Because any owner is going to have some interest and say in what goes on. I just haven't really heard much about the Calgary ownership group being very hands on from anywhere other than CPers when they are complaining about the season.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by mile

I think Francis just said he already heard from multiple people that they want the GM job?

ah I forgot to tune in at noon - has he said anything noteworthy?

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I liked Tre, but I can't see how an honest review of his results as Flames GM would lead to him being rated anything other than middle of the back...at best.

I do wonder if perhaps he was unwilling to come back with Sutter behind the bench, and the organization was unwilling to fire Sutter.

If you consider the number of issues he has to contend with in this market, then you will understand why some here think he did a remarkable job. Francis alone was talking on Friday about how a number of Flames players went to Tkachuk's home in Florida, just off the beach, when they visited. We suddenly have some players who are non-committal to resigning. How does Calgary compete with that?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by bax

You’re missing the bigger picture. There is no new architect. We already know who it is and it’s Murray Edwards. The status quo moving forward will be the same.

So how would it have been better if Treliving stayed then? So all the people here moaning about this really want Edwards gone -- good luck with that.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by mile

I think Francis just said he already heard from multiple people that they want the GM job?

Of course, there are only 32 of those jobs. Everyone but Treliving wants this job

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MrMike

So what are the odds Treliving has a “wink wink nudge nudge” job already lined up for himself?

I think pretty low. I’d bet Treliving didn’t even decide until they missed the POs.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Because it's such a half-ass approach.

Letting go of Treliving only to promote the guy he's spent the past 15 seasons with to oversee the changes moving forward? I don't see how the organizational mindset or approach has changed at all with this news. If anything it suggests to me that it will remain the same.

Moving on from Tre should have signaled a complete revamping of hockey operations.

We have a meddling ownership group, in a non desirable small Canadian market, that has the worst facilities in the sport. The outlook is incredibly bleak at the moment.

I was ok with a change.... but like you said above this ain't any change. It's the same old #### with the same old meddling owner and same old hated coach.

[mile]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

ah I forgot to tune in at noon - has he said anything noteworthy?

I just tuned in too - sounds like him and Leslie were just speculating on names. Francis mentioned Lombardi but doesn't think that will happen. Leslie mentioned Futa.


Francis says he doesn't have a read on whether or not Conroy will be the GM.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think pretty low. I’d bet Treliving didn’t even decide until they missed the POs.

I just find it tough to believe that one walks away from a POHO/GM position without something else lined up.

[Toonage]

Man, I've been saying for a while now that Sutter would stay and a puppet - Futa in particular - would get the job.

Yikes.

[ComixZone]

I believe Ryan Leslie just said "that list is growing" when it comes to players not being warm on returning

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

That's totally fair. Serious question, where does the meddling owners theories really come from with this team? I ask because I've never really heard any credible media type source (like Friedman) talk about it with the Flames, like I have with other orgs, like say Vancouver.

Doesn't mean I haven't missed it, very possible. But it just seems to me it's only fans on here that bring it up, and it seems to be a far more re-occurring topic when we have a very polarizing topic like arena funding surfacing. Are there any legs to it really? Is it just perspective? Because any owner is going to have some interest and say in what goes on. I just haven't really heard much about the Calgary ownership group being very hands on from anywhere other than CPers when they are complaining about the season.

I think it comes from the Brent Sutter days.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

oh it can get a lot worse

How? There's only 1 worse position to be in and that's the Buffalo Sabres, years of high picks and no progression.

Slightly better than that is barely missing the playoffs or an early exit coupled with middle first round draft picks, marginal prospects and boat anchor contracts given to your 2 highest paid players.

How can it get worse than where we currently are?