[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jbo

For those banging on the drum for change in every GT and PGT. It’s here. You may not like the change, but it has still arrived.

CP: “we want change”
Flames: “ok”
CP: “ not like that though”

The moment Darryl was rehired there was one thing that every Flames fan feared and that's him having any say over personnel. He's not the GM but you can bet he's going to have a big say in the roster this summer and that's not the change any Flames fan wanted.

[The Familia]

Pretty simple, if people don't like the direction this franchise is going (which I haven't for years), start sending a message with your wallet. Maybe this organization needs a 1/4-full dome to start implementing proper changes. I'm doing my part by not attending or watching this team. I'll consider jumping back on the bandwagon if they ever decide to become competent again.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

If your comment is correct, and I actually think your spin on it is actually the most likely reason versus anything more elaborate like coaches being chosen over GM by ownership, then the only issue I take is the "dumpster fire comment".

That's such a fan (or opposing fan trying to poke) emotional reaction to disappointing season. If it's a dumpster fire, then BT created that dumpster fire. I actually doubt he thinks he made a dumpster fire. You say he was offered a contract, with full authority to make his moves, but then later you say we have meddling owners?

I think where you nailed it, is winning in Calgary, or any smaller Canadian market is much harder to do than other places in the NHL. Brad's job here is more difficult, and always will be more difficult than the job in Tampa for example. From, taxes, to media scrutiny, to our current arena situation (which will get rectified), to your point building a winner here is tougher.

I'm guessing Brad has impressed the hockey world, and as a GM, probably thinks he's got a better shot at the cup elsewhere. Sucks for us, but I wish him well.

I think the meddling owners comment might be fair to say still.

Being able to fire Sutter does not mean full autonomy.

I wouldn't be surprised if Treliving was just sick of dealing with Edwards in general, and even being able to fire Sutter might not have been enough to keep him here at this point.

(And to be clear I don't blame Edwards for meddling, if I owned a hockey team I would meddle too. Hell I'd probably just Jerry Jones it and name myself GM. But I do think that meddling does make the GM's job harder)

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Naitix

With all the talk from you guys about Treliving choosing to leave the Flames and how it reflects poorly and that he does not believe in this team etc is bull####. He spent 9 years here, a very long time for a GM in hockey - I think majority of people would choose to leave your current job employment after such a long time, especially when you are basically guaranteed a job somewhere else and that job most likely will be better.

Let's not pretend here as Flames are some lucrative team to be the GM off, there are at least 16 other teams in the league that I would rather be the GM off than the Flames. It is a tough job, a tough market and Tre spent 9 years here working his ass off - that is insane. He had to basically be the GM and president of hockey ops, he will most likely get a raise and an easier work schedule at his next job. This is no different than if some of you would leave your current job for a better one, it is really not that difficult to understand and I would do the same thing if I was Tre.

I agree. People emotionally want to paint this picture of things must be terribly wrong, for all this to happen. It's a tough time to be a Flames fan on the ice right now that's for sure.

But to your point, the man styed here for 9 years. All the new players that "apparently" want out now, also signed extensions here at one point. For all the players we lost last year, some high profile new ones signed on long term.

Things change over time. The Flames absolutely failed to get over the hump in the last decade, and with that, comes change. That change doesn't mean people are running from something terrible, it's just when you don't achieve your ultimate goals, things start to evolve.

[dustygoon]

We can dig into reasons but one not to overlook is kids going off to college in the US. I can see him trying to locate closer to them

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The moment Darryl was rehired there was one thing that every Flames fan feared and that's him having any say over personnel. He's not the GM but you can bet he's going to have a big say in the roster this summer and that's not the change any Flames fan wanted.

I am now in the wait and see camp assuming Tre could have fired Sutter. If the new GM can fire him then whatever.

[Flamesfan05]

I wouldn’t be worried about the team quitting on Sutter next year

Half the team are going to play for a new contract. They‘ll show up.

If Moloney adds the right people, they may even make the playoffs


It’s the year after that will be a problem

[ResAlien]

This organization is Lucy with the football. Charlie Brown never got mad at her for his inability to learn so why should we? GFG!

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by BeltlineFan

The Oilers are going to win the cup, aren't they?

I resigned myself to this at deadline day. They're my pick in my pool

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This is bad times for the organization. My wife is a teacher and last month they had one of those jersey days where kids could wear clothing in support of their favorite team and she told me there were as many kids with Oilers clothing as Flames. This organization is risking losing a generation of fans and having Sutter run the team for the next few years is probably the worst outcome possible.

I think this was in the 'How are you feeling thread' but I said the last thing this team needs is to become the CFL and lose a generation. But it's happening. Kids born in 2004 have been (legally) drinking for a year now.

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I hope that juicy bit of alleged inside info is true as it somehow makes this even worse. Hope you’re all fans of chaos because maximum carnage is the only thing to cheer for now

Me: I want to hear all the tea

Also me: this tea is embarrassing

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by nik-

I mean surely you can see the context as to what people are complaining about. Don't be silly.

People are making a lot of assumptions about the inner workings of the organization.
Look at the straight up facts of the time horizon of the GM's time at the post and the results achieved. A change is fully warranted based on that alone. Whether it came from him or the owners isn't all that relevant to me. He had plenty of time to ice a contender, and didn't. Maybe someone else will.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I am now in the wait and see camp assuming Tre could have fired Sutter. If the new GM can fire him then whatever.

We all know a new GM is going to have their hands tied and need approval from Edwards on every little thing.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I wouldn’t be worried about the team quitting on Sutter next year

Half the team are going to play for a new contract. They‘ll show up.

If Moloney adds the right people, they may even make the playoffs


It’s the year after that will be a problem

You're probably right. One good year, one bad year, classic Calgary Flames.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Igottago

People are making a lot of assumptions about the inner workings of the organization.
Look at the straight up facts of the time horizon of the GM's time at the post and the results achieved. A change is fully warranted based on that alone. Whether it came from him or the owners isn't all that relevant to me. He had plenty of time to ice a contender, and didn't. Maybe someone else will.

If you address a problem in the organization and then exacerbate it at the same time, yeah, people are going to complain about that.

Again, clearly you can see the context in which people are complaining about this.

[Yeah_Baby]

Who is starting a gofundme so we can crowd source a few million dollars to buy the team

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Itse

Why do people feel a need to make up reasons for why Treliving is gone?

The guy just isn't very good. He kept betting the house on bad hands and kept losing, and now he left us with a non-playoff team that somehow has 18 players signed for next season with only 1.25M in projected cap space that's simultaneously missing five draft picks in the next three seasons, and we have a prospect pool that's ranked outside of top 20.

Not a good team, not a young team, no room to maneuver. No past success, no promising future, overspending and underperforming. That's the team Treliving built, and you don't keep a GM that delivers these kinds of results.

The guy talked a good talk but couldn't deliver. If there's an issue with Sutter, it's probably because Sutter can also look at the basic facts of the team and note that yeah, this is kind of a mess.

Let's be honest here. Save for couple of years after Feaster was hired, the mandate from the owners was always to win now at all costs and it was in just as bad of shape under Sutter the GM at the end of his tenure as it is now.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Igottago

The hand wringing about this is hilarious. The Flames accomplished very little under Treliving and he was around for a decade. Why people wanted to hang on to the status quo is baffling. Let's see what a new architect can do.

I could not agree more. Am I missing something, or does the culmination of advancing two times past the first round in ten years count as success?

For the fanbases and even around the league, there's always been a general "vibe" that Treliving is a good GM, but the actual results are very mediocre. 9 years is enough. Time to try something new.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Torture

You're probably right. One good year, one bad year, classic Calgary Flames.

+ lose all your UFAs because you couldn't re-sign them and you didn't want to trade them as you finish in the 2nd wild card spot.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Igottago

People are making a lot of assumptions about the inner workings of the organization.
Look at the straight up facts of the time horizon of the GM's time at the post and the results achieved. A change is fully warranted based on that alone. Whether it came from him or the owners isn't all that relevant to me. He had plenty of time to ice a contender, and didn't. Maybe someone else will.

The problem is a couple of things I think:

- Much like last year this doesn't seem to be the teams decision. The org wanted to keep all of Gaudreau, Tkachuk, and Treliving. All three of them are gone...that speaks to some issues and the only level above Treliving is Edwards.

- If you are going to be forced to make the change...then you should clean house. Having Treliving leave and then keeping Maloney and Sutter leaves concern for people that ownership isn't really critically thinking about the direction this org needs to go

- In the end optically it kind of looked like the org choose Treliving over Sutter, but that doesn't seem like the case based on the rumors in this thread.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Just for a bit of good news for the future, I did run across this article that ranks our farm system 7th. That's something, right?

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-farm-system-rankings/

Matt Coronato is an incredibly talented offensive player who has been tearing up the NCAA ever since being drafted in 2021 where he has scored 56 points in 51 games at the time of writing. He’s not the only Flames prospect who has been impressive recently. The other four prospects on my top-five list above have been excellent in the AHL this year with Matthew Phillips leading the league in points earlier this year before earning an NHL call-up, Dustin Wolf leading the league in wins and goals against average, and Jakob Pelletier and Connor Zary being third and second respectively in AHL scoring among U22 players. The future is bright in Calgary.

I need something to hang on to here guys...help.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Jbo

For those banging on the drum for change in every GT and PGT. It’s here. You may not like the change, but it has still arrived.

CP: “we want change”
Flames: “ok”
CP: “ not like that though”

Because it's such a half-ass approach.

Letting go of Treliving only to promote the guy he's spent the past 15 seasons with to oversee the changes moving forward? I don't see how the organizational mindset or approach has changed at all with this news. If anything it suggests to me that it will remain the same.

Moving on from Tre should have signaled a complete revamping of hockey operations.

We have a meddling ownership group, in a non desirable small Canadian market, that has the worst facilities in the sport. The outlook is incredibly bleak at the moment.