Good god what a dumb thing for Lametti to even insinuate.
Replying to myself, but did y'all know that you can get CPAC online? I went back and listened to what led up to Lametti's "we'll look into" gaffe, and it's nowhere near as much of an "attack" as Scott Moe/Danielle Smith/rightwing outrage media would have you believe.
Originally Posted by Prince Albert Grand Chief Brian Hardlotte
Good morning there, Minister. From the Prince Albert Grand Council we certainly appreciate the work that's being done with the Declaration; the "roadmap for reconciliation" as you call it. Although a draft, I commend you for working with Willie Littlechild from Alberta—a very experienced person, a lawyer—that's doing the work. I appreciate the work. Much work to be done, Minister.
Again, we'd just like to—I have here Alvin Moostoos from the James Cree Nation—again, Minister, we want to say what we said yesterday, and that's to rescind the Act[s]—the Natural Resource[s] Transfer Act[s]—that affect the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. That's what we're asking you, Minister, as an action item, with a statement: it affects our treaty right of course, and with the "Sask First Act" that we hear about there, and it's to do with natural resources—Indian natural resources—so we ask you—and this is Alvin standing beside me, here from the James Cree Nation—for the record, Minister. So we're asking that; thank you very much.
Again, I'll say, again, I said it yesterday, in part of this roadmap: community safety has to be part of it. And again I'll mention, Minister, the federal crown prosecutors that used to be able to defend our bylaws—First Nations bylaws in our First Nations—we ask you to put that person in place again, so our bylaws are again enforced. Y'know, with some of the First Nations that have self-administered policing enforced by them, but those that don't: enforced by the RCMP, where the RCMP don't enforce it. It's about community safety, Minister. Making our communities—that response time—about community safety. So we thank you for that.
I remind you, I mentioned that young man I talked about yesterday, under the federal law, with medical assisted dying: he passed on about five o'clock yesterday. Sadly, the only option with that law, they took advantage of that law and that was their only option. I just wanted to mention that to you, and to the delegation here.
Over here if I can ask very quickly here, 20 minutes, Red Earth Cree Nation Chief if you can step up. Minister: they just want a briefing. He's a new chief—Zachary Whitecap, newly-elected—on where they're at on their initiative for justice. The good work that Red Earth Cree Nation is doing. So they just want a briefing on that as soon as possible; I think that's what the chief is asking for.
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Originally Posted by Chief Don Maracle, Mohawks of Bay of Quinte
Good morning, bonjour, se:ko ["hello" in Mohawk]. Chief Don Maracle, Mohawks of Bay of Quinte. Good morning Minister, for attending this morning: much appreciate you being here, Mr. L[am]etti.
Canada exports natural resources to other countries. They earn trillions of dollars in revenues from those resources. Those resources were given to the provinces without ever asking one Indian if it was okay to do that, or what benefits would the First Nations expect to receive by Canada consenting to that arrangement.
Canada inherited rights and obligations, as Chief Crowchild said, from the imperial treaties that were made with our people. These treaties go back to the time when Europeans first came to our shores, beginning with our people—the Two Row Wampum Treaty—and other pre-confederation treaties that were made since recognized what Canada's obligations would be to our people. We see that as foundational in our rights. When Canada repatriated the constitution in 1982, the first draft was to recognize the aboriginal and treaty rights of our people. Canada, at the last minute, threw in the word "existing rights", which leaves it wide open to interpretation by both politicians and the courts. There needs to be redress for that, and we see the same thing happening with UNDA [the United Nations Declaration Act]: they're recognizing modern treaties, but not the word "treaty". Canada has an obligation to recognize treaties. Why is the word "modern" in there, and no mention of historic treaties that were made? What's the purpose of that? And do you support that language, or does it need to be amended to take the word "modern" out, and just recognize treaty relationships?
And we've argued for years for there to be a treaty table established where First Nations could come and promote the proper recognition of our relationship. The government never set up any such table, and I think this is such an important conversation that just, you know, a half an hour with the chiefs is insufficient. I think you need to come to do a full-day conference that you host to talk to the chiefs directly and listen to what they have to say.
Those are my words. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by MOJAG David Lametti
Thank you. Thanks for all of those interventions. I will get up to Teslin Tlingit hopefully very soon. It is about, and—[clears throat]—implementing those modern treaties are critically important, and I take the point, the very fundamental point, that Canada has lagged. And I will do my best again to work with my colleagues to push those processes as we move forward.
Saskatchewan. First of all, again, my condolences to the family and friends of the young man who chose MAID in your community. I understand the circumstances, and they're always tragic. And I certainly will reach out to Chief Whitecap at Red Earth—I'm not sure where you are in the room but we, my team, will take care of that. I know that you have good ideas and a good project moving forward. I also take on point from Chief Brian in Prince Albert as well as the chief from James Smith Cree Nation that community safety is critically important, and I know that bylaw enforcement is critically important for a lot of people in this room, not just for the community in Prince Albert, and we'll continue to work to try to find solutions. Individual solutions in particular places. And I know that you have a particular desire to get a federal officer back. There are other places where there are tripartite tables happening between the federal government, the province, and treaty nations or individual nations, and so I appreciate how important that is at a local level and how important community safety is. I'll work with Minister Mendicino, it's his portfolio primarily, but I'll work with him to push for results there.
I take from Chief Brian, also from Chief Don Maracle, the point about the Natural Resources Transfer Agreement. Chief Maracle did it indirectly, Chief Brian did it directly. You're on the record for that; I obviously can't pronounce on that right now, but I do commit to looking at that. It won't be uncontroversial is the only thing I would say, with a bit of a smile.
Chief Don Maracle, good to see you again, and I take the point about exiting natural resources. My understanding of the implementation act as it was passed a year-and-a-half ago, and the way in which we move forward, is that both traditional treaties and modern treaties—the historic treaties, and modern treaties—need to be respected. If there's a problem with the wording there, we'll correct that. It's not meant to prioritize modern treaties over historic treaties or vice-versa: they're all meant to be important. I know that Chief Littlechild did a great deal of work a year-and-a-half ago during the implementation process to make sure that was clear, and working with historic treaty nations to make sure that was the case. And I would be happy to come out and organize a table. In Akwesasne, or wherever. So, niá:wen [Mohawk for "thank you"].
Sooooooo... was Lametti's foot really as far in his mouth as I thought at first blush? No, not really. I think he handled it about as best he could given the circumstances: a completely non-commital "eh, I'll, um, I'll look into it".
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Back in November when he was asked very specifically "The question was not whether the election was compromised, the question was whether officials, in intelligence, law enforcement or the public service, at any time informed the prime minister of allegations of any interference in our elections — yes or no?" he answered "I have never gotten any information from any of our security agencies, or police officers, or intelligence officials, or public servants, on any information on anyone receiving, as a federal candidate, receiving money from China"
He chose that wording because he knows it's impossible to prove otherwise since exactly what was discussed at the briefings is secret. At that point he had in fact been briefed 4 times, we're supposed to believe that they didn't tell him anything.
This is what happens to people when they're challenged on their positions but their positions are formed from headlines with a surface-level knowledge of things at best.
What is the Prime Minister of all people doing taking a question from a random, aggressive nobody who apparently hates him and is shoving a phone in his face? Is there not some sort of security to deal with this? Even if there wasn't, how does he not just ignore the guy and walk right past him? What a strange video.
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What is the Prime Minister of all people doing taking a question from a random, aggressive nobody who apparently hates him and is shoving a phone in his face? Is there not some sort of security to deal with this? Even if there wasn't, how does he not just ignore the guy and walk right past him? What a staged video.
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What is the Prime Minister of all people doing taking a question from a random, aggressive nobody who apparently hates him and is shoving a phone in his face? Is there not some sort of security to deal with this? Even if there wasn't, how does he not just ignore the guy and walk right past him? What a strange video.
I dont usually like to get too conspiracy-ey but...yup.
When was the last time you saw Trudeau that eloquently think on his feet? That guy can deliver a canned speech, thats about it.
Remember all that nonsense about bottled water-boxes or whatever? That is genuine Justin Trudeau when the unexpected happens....stumble and mumble...not this.
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What is the Prime Minister of all people doing taking a question from a random, aggressive nobody who apparently hates him and is shoving a phone in his face? Is there not some sort of security to deal with this? Even if there wasn't, how does he not just ignore the guy and walk right past him? What a strange video.
Usually security for the PM has been keeping people from yelling unvetted questions at the PM.
It was shot perfectly, The Liberals within minutes of the release were firing out prochoice social media and their MP's were firing out their messages.
It was shot perfectly right over the shoulder not showing the young mans face, but Trudeau was perfectly framed.
Who knows? Telford is incredibly slick as a political operator. From a campaign and organization the conservatives are really lacking someone like her with her ruthlessness.
Its a nice distraction from the poop show that's hitting the Liberals right now.
I'm not saying its for sure some kind of Liberal black smoke trick. But I really wouldn't put it past them.
I'd like to see the press trying to track the kid down, usually they are intensely good at things like that.
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I don't think the video is either faked or staged. Trudeau's background as a teacher benefited him here. That, and the kid doesn't sound like he's thought much any thing through in his life.
And contrary to what a lot of his opponents like to say about him I've always thought Trudeau speaks very well. It's one of his few redeeming qualities.
I've never understood that criticism, TBH.
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I don't think the video is either faked or staged. Trudeau's background as a teacher benefited him here. That, and the kid doesn't sound like he's thought much any thing through in his life.
And contrary to what a lot of his opponents like to say about him I've always thought Trudeau speaks very well. It's one of his few redeeming qualities.
I've never understood that criticism, TBH.
Yeah, I dont see that at all. I see the guy that dodges and deflects any question he wasnt implicitly prepared for because he cannot think on his feet.
Teacher, yes, remember 'Drama Teacher' and I dont mean that disparagingly at all, but...he can memorize and recite his lines and that is about it.
I cant say I've ever seen him actually eloquently speak unprepared.
You want an eloquent speaker? Barack Obama....goddamn that man was smooth.
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Yeah, I dont see that at all. I see the guy that dodges and deflects any question he wasnt implicitly prepared for because he cannot think on his feet.
Teacher, yes, remember 'Drama Teacher' and I dont mean that disparagingly at all, but...he can memorize and recite his lines and that is about it.
I cant say I've ever seen him actually eloquently speak unprepared.
You want an eloquent speaker? Barack Obama....goddamn that man was smooth.
First off, knock Justin for his decisions and actions all you want, I'll probably agree with a lot of them. But this? Can we maybe drop this nonsense once and for all?
It's such a stupid point to take a shot at a politician for. Like, you don't just become a teacher. You need education for that. Usually 6 years. And then, of course you have to latch on to the one teaching job in the list you think makes him sound unqualified for. This is Rebel level repetition here.
Move on, not only is it completely wrong, it's kind of pathetic, considering most Conservative politicians list their previous job experience as "young Conservative class president". WTF has PP ever done?
Oh, haha! There it is! Sweet #### all! He went to Uni for 4 years then humped Stockwell's leg and has been milking the taxpayer teet for the rest of the time. Oh, but hey, Justin educated students, perhaps one of the most valuable jobs out there.
Knock it the #### off already. And ya, I'll repeat this every time I hear "drama teacher" brought up as a point of disparagement, because it's ####ing stupid.
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First off, knock Justin for his decisions and actions all you want, I'll probably agree with a lot of them. But this? Can we maybe drop this nonsense once and for all?
It's such a stupid point to take a shot at a politician for. Like, you don't just become a teacher. You need education for that. Usually 6 years. And then, of course you have to latch on to the one teaching job in the list you think makes him sound unqualified for. This is Rebel level repetition here.
Move on, not only is it completely wrong, it's kind of pathetic, considering most Conservative politicians list their previous job experience as "young Conservative class president". WTF has PP ever done?
Oh, haha! There it is! Sweet #### all! He went to Uni for 4 years then humped Stockwell's leg and has been milking the taxpayer teet for the rest of the time. Oh, but hey, Justin educated students, perhaps one of the most valuable jobs out there.
Knock it the #### off already. And ya, I'll repeat this every time I hear "drama teacher" brought up as a point of disparagement, because it's ####ing stupid.
You make some good points, but really, the only reason I brought it up at all was because Trudeau is excellent at delivering his pre-prepared lines, he's not good at thinking on his feet.
I even said in my post 'not disparagingly.'
I have never found him to be particularly intelligent nor good at thinking on his feet.
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Trudeau's always done well in his town halls, the fact that he did well against some random kid asking dumb ass questions shouldn'tsurprise anyone. He stammers and hems and haws during a speech but ad-libbing an answer has never been difficult for him. Also I love the fact that we don't treat our Prime Minister as some untouchable King who you can't get close to. Being close to voters has always been normal in Canadian politics.
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Trudeau's always done well in his town halls, the fact that he did well against some random kid asking dumb ass questions shouldn't surprise anyone. He stammers and hems and haws during a speech but ad-libbing an answer has never been difficult for him. Also I love the fact that we don't treat our Prime Minister as some untouchable King who you can't get close to. Being close to voters has always been normal in Canadian politics.
That is kind of nice, I do like that.
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Usually security for the PM has been keeping people from yelling unvetted questions at the PM.
It was shot perfectly, The Liberals within minutes of the release were firing out prochoice social media and their MP's were firing out their messages.
It was shot perfectly right over the shoulder not showing the young mans face, but Trudeau was perfectly framed.
Who knows? Telford is incredibly slick as a political operator. From a campaign and organization the conservatives are really lacking someone like her with her ruthlessness.
Its a nice distraction from the poop show that's hitting the Liberals right now.
I'm not saying its for sure some kind of Liberal black smoke trick. But I really wouldn't put it past them.
I'd like to see the press trying to track the kid down, usually they are intensely good at things like that.
Holy crap.
The first sentence is flat out not true, the rest is brain rot
Not sure how people who hate Trudeau as much as some do, who know everything about him can be so ignorant to the fact he routinely faces unvetted questions from the average voter all the time as PM during his town halls.
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Teacher, yes, remember 'Drama Teacher' and I dont mean that disparagingly at all, but...he can memorize and recite his lines and that is about it.
Despite you reiterating that claim in your follow-up post, you definitely meant it desparingingly, perhaps abelit unconsciously. Saying this means that his only skill is the ability to memorize lines, and his only talent was to teach others how to memorize lines.
There's a reason that the best and brightest at any particular task or knowledge set aren't automatically the best at teaching. Gretzky was an unmitigated failure as a coach. It takes strength in many diverse characteristics to impart skill and knowledge to others, and in order to become and be successful as a teacher you need to demonstrate compassion, understanding, flexibility, empathy, communication, and a whole list of other things beyond the subject matter.
That statement is unequivocally disrespectful, no matter how you intended it.
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I cant say I've ever seen him actually eloquently speak unprepared.
I always appreciated his comments after Gord Downie's passing.
Sure, you can say that we knew for a while what was coming. Even if we did, think about how taken aback, as a fan (if you were one), you were when it happenned? How taken aback would a friend be? Trudeau, by all appearances, was both to Downie. Preparation falls away. In that clip he seemed very genuine and eloquent despite the situation.
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Yeah, I dont see that at all. I see the guy that dodges and deflects any question he wasnt implicitly prepared for because he cannot think on his feet.
You want an eloquent speaker? Barack Obama....goddamn that man was smooth.
You've done an effective job of summarizing the personality and rhetorical capabilities of pretty well every modern politician. If Obama is your bar then you have unrealistic expectations as that man was and remains outside of his time. We've now devolved into the dichotomy of one side pounding buzz words and dogwhistles, while the other tries to be as vanilla as possible in a lame attempt to stay above the fray.
Besides, I've never understood the value placed on a politician's, or anyone's really, ability to react on their feet deftly as if they were in an Aaron Sorkin political drama. If I sputtered out my initial thoughts to your response in real time it wouldn't have been this measured and composed. We have the benefit of a message forum, but even in the real world I have far greater appreciation for someone that takes the time to give me a thoughtful response.
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