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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It might shock people but I agree with this, depemnding on sincerity of the present attitude, etc. It's not a big surprise to me that a coach would take that approach. And I believe people can become better. To deny a chance to demonstrate it is counterproductive IMO.

He should have every chance to redeem himself. Multiple chances as far as I am concerned.

But he doesn’t need to be an NHL head coach to do that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

He should have every chance to redeem himself. Multiple chances as far as I am concerned.

But he doesn’t need to be an NHL head coach to do that.

Then what do you want him to do? Work with younger players?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

How is this only on Sutter though? How about the player himself? All I use to read here for years was Gaudreau and Tkachuk couldn’t deliver the goods in the playoffs. So why does Jonathan get a pass? His story isn’t all that different from Tkachuk and Gaudreau. The skilled type who needs to learn how to play in the playoffs.

It’s not like Darryl has some kind of special unicorn system of hockey that no one has ever seen before. He basically deploys playoff style hockey all season long. Sure, it’s demanding and offense-first players tend to see a drop in their scoring, but at least you know they’ll be prepared for the grinding playoff style when the game changes.

Bill Zito probably saw this and realized that he needed to make big changes. So he decided to turf the coach and trade his franchise player coming off a record setting regular season.

And it resulted in the same type of hockey for Florida with worse results.

Playing grinding hockey and being grinded on daily by your head coach wears thin quickly that's why Sutter teams just try to make the playoffs instead of trying to win the conference and finish as high as you can.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

And it resulted in the same type of hockey for Florida with worse results.

Playing grinding hockey and being grinded on daily by your head coach wears thin quickly that's why Sutter teams just try to make the playoffs instead of trying to win the conference and finish as high as you can.

Except the same Sutter team did win the conference last year...

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Except the same Sutter team did win the conference last year...

Rare for his teams.

Just shoots for the low bar of squeak in.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Just shoots for the low bar of squeak in.

You don’t really think this do you?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

You don’t really think this do you?

He does. Which is why I and many others don’t bother anymore.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

He does. Which is why I and many others don’t bother anymore.

Lmao go look at his history as coach.

What did he say all season and the players? Had trouble hearing him?

Hard for people to come ti grips with the fact he's a outdated coach who doesn't belong anymore.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Lmao go look at his history as coach.

What did he say all season and the players? Had trouble hearing him?

Hard for people to come ti grips with the fact he's a outdated coach who doesn't belong anymore.

Flames under Sutter finished in first 2/3 as head coach. The Kings were in second or third until his two final years, when they were out and he got canned. When his teams made it in it wasn't usually really a squeaker.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Then what do you want him to do? Work with younger players?

What? I said he deserves a second chance, which doesn’t equate to second chance as an NHL coach.

I assume you’re suggesting that because it would be a bad idea. Which is interesting then that you’d be supportive of him coaching.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Lmao go look at his history as coach.

What did he say all season and the players? Had trouble hearing him?

Hard for people to come ti grips with the fact he's a outdated coach who doesn't belong anymore.

But

That’s not what you said

[FanIn80]

So... No elaboration on yesterday's hints?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

But

That’s not what you said

That's what I said his message is just try to make it it's why be brings up the minnumum points it takes to get it in.

The style of hockey trying to win 1-0 and 2-1 does that just stick around in close games and hope a low percentage shot squeaks in.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

He does. Which is why I and many others don’t bother anymore.

I see what you mean now

[Locke]

Frankly, our Swedes really screwed the pooch this season so I dont have a lot of sympathy for their sadness.

Backlund was mediocre, Lindholm was subzebulon at best, Kylington was a non-factor and Markstrom was probably the worst of them all....yeah, worse than the guy who didnt even play.

Rasmus was the only one who played well and thats despite being hit by a car.

I'm telling you, this whole season was Swedish sabotage. Its a plot. A plot I tell you!

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Locke

Frankly, our Swedes really screwed the pooch this season so I dont have a lot of sympathy for their sadness.

Backlund was mediocre, Lindholm was subzebulon at best, Kylington was a non-factor and Markstrom was probably the worst of them all....yeah, worse than the guy who didnt even play.

Rasmus was the only one who played well and thats despite being hit by a car.

I'm telling you, this whole season was Swedish sabotage. Its a plot. A plot I tell you!

No.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

What? I said he deserves a second chance, which doesn’t equate to second chance as an NHL coach.

I assume you’re suggesting that because it would be a bad idea. Which is interesting then that you’d be supportive of him coaching.

No, I'm suggesting it because if you take away his career as a pro coach, that's what he's left with. Which presumably you'd be less happy with.

His mistake was a bad reaction to something that already happened, mainly because his priorities were screwed up. Assuming that was the only thing, and assuming he's rehabilitated, I'd be prepared to see a second chance.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No, I'm suggesting it because if you take away his career as a pro coach, that's what he's left with. Which presumably you'd be less happy with.

His mistake was a bad reaction to something that already happened, mainly because his priorities were screwed up. Assuming that was the only thing, and assuming he's rehabilitated, I'd be prepared to see a second chance.

It depends on the team, really. If Lindholm and Backlund are gone and Sutter doesn't want to retool, then maybe you may try to see if you can get a good coach with a bad history will come on board to replace the talent lost by Sutter. However, if Kadri is your best centre then I don't think that they are going to be in the playoffs anyways regardless of the coach. Perhaps Quenville isn't interested in a retool or rebuild.

Naturally, I am assuming that Lindholm and Backlund are traded for picks or prospects. I doubt that they get players of equal quality back, particularly if Treliving is not the one doing the deals. Prior to Treliving, the Flames had trouble coming out on top of trades.

[Bingo Jr.]

I could use a SEC214 pick me up after being force fed all this Oilers playoffs bs all day

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I can't imagine a single GM worth his salt wanting anything to do with this organization.

Seriously this is a silly statement.