Sutter is the problem

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

There's a reason Treliving turned down a new contract

If true, it could be the reason Treliving is not returning. Time will tell I guess.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by blankall

Markstrom's problems were two-fold. He had a below average season, but the team also hung him out to dry many times. You could see, later in the season, as the effort in front of him increased Markstrom started to regain his confidence.

Strangely enough, when they did hang him out to dry (every team makes mistakes), Markstrom would often come up with an unexpected big save.

Then, inexplicably do something wild to practically gift the other team a goal almost once a game.

[SportsJunky]

There is an article in TheAthletic today that talks about the difference in playing for a hardon of a coach like Cassidy versus a positive communicator like Jim Montgomery. It doesn't say one is better than the other but it does show how transitioning from a tough coach to a guy like Montgomery can change a team.

Montgomery also made some changes in their style. I bolded the first interesting change

Montgomery has installed a system — shot quality over quantity, activation of the weak-side defenseman, quicker closing in the defensive zone, hanging onto pucks to improve offensive looks — that produced the best regular-season team in NHL history.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Montgomery has installed a system — shot quality over quantity, activation of the weak-side defenseman, quicker closing in the defensive zone, hanging onto pucks to improve offensive looks — that produced the best regular-season team in NHL history.

They say it’s a copycat league, well in the Flames case I sure hope so. I’d take 25 goalie moving shots over 40 into the pads any night.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Crazy talk. Moar shots from crappy areas! Darryl Sutter knows a thing or two about what it takes to coach and win the NHL.

[MrMike]

All we need is the power play fixed and standard goaltending. Easier said than done though with how it lasted 82 games.

I hope Tre stays, but I think he may be waiting for a promotion in his title with more autonomy while also waiting for the Stanley Cup to be handed out. He'd be the guy to know if there may be a job or two waiting for him elsewhere.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

This is ####ing silly

Huberdeau drops 60 points (over half of his production) and whatever

But despite the dependence of goalies on the play in front of them,
Markstrom (and Vladar who forgot how to goalie equally, by coincidence) is the problem

Honestly, I watch the team work the puck around the boards to the point and take lame shots from afar, actively seeking garbage

Yeah, Sutter is at least part of the problem

Honestly, I think a lot of posters here suffer from confirmation bias. Everyone looks for this, so that's all you see. When I watched the Carolina Hurricanes play this year, I'd so there's a lot of similarities between the way their team plays and the way the Flames play. They work hard, check hard, they're very structured, they defend in a similar fashion and their defensemen shoot a ton from the point, yet they won their division this season.

So again, I don't think the system is too blame here. It's the individuals who slot in their respective positions/team is the bigger culprit.

Lastly, in regards to Huberdeau, his gargantuan drop in point production probably had more to do with his lack of rush scoring than what was happening when he was in the Ozone. His greatest skill in my opinion is finding the trailer and the opposition took that away from him this season which resulted in his historic points drop.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Honestly, I think a lot of posters here suffer from confirmation bias. Everyone looks for this, so that's all you see. When I watched the Carolina Hurricanes play this year, I'd so there's a lot of similarities between the way their team plays and the way the Flames play. They work hard, check hard, they're very structured, they defend in a similar fashion and their defensemen shoot a ton from the point, yet they won their division this season.

So again, I don't think the system is too blame here. It's the individuals who slot in their respective positions/team is the bigger culprit.

Lastly, in regards to Huberdeau, his gargantuan drop in point production probably had more to do with his lack of rush scoring than what was happening when he was in the Ozone. His greatest skill in my opinion is finding the trailer and the opposition took that away from him this season which resulted in his historic points drop.

His pass to Zadorov a few games back was a classic example. I thought he'd find Toffoli a lot doing this.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Darryl Sutter knows a thing or two about……

STOP RIGHT THERE!
No matter what one’s impression of Sutter is.
Never impose an innuendo of a Kevin Lowe comment on him.

One plied his trade and became an important part of a wonderful season for this franchise and helped win 2 cups for another.
While
The other rode shirtless on a toboggan pulled by many hall of famers and pretended he did it all.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

They say it’s a copycat league, well in the Flames case I sure hope so. I’d take 25 goalie moving shots over 40 into the pads any night.

Exactly, I don’t know how many nights where I would see 40 shots on the clock but couldn’t think of 2 quality ones

[mile]

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[ben voyonsdonc]

This has to be the end of Sutter. I remember reading somewhere that exit interviews had an impact on Hartley getting canned. Clearly something is really rotten on the team and it likely starts with the coach.

[Inglewood Jack]

You shouldn't have to bend over backwards just to make the relationship tolerable. This coaching era is over as far as I'm concerned, it's just when they announce is in question

[PuckSlap]

Maybe it's just me, but I get the impression that a lot of the people who hate Sutter, are probably a younger crowd. You had to have been there in 2004, to see how it was. This city and all the fans loved the coach. Even tho they locked him out of the locker room in LA, they won two cups in three seasons.

I would rather keep Sutter and lose the soft players that can't handle being coached by an authority figure.

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[BagoPucks]

Hard ass old school coaches have a short shelf life. Players aren't built the same way they used to be. I think a coach like Sutter can get a lot out of players for a short period before it gets old

[zamler]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Maybe it's just me, but I get the impression that a lot of the people who hate Sutter, are probably a younger crowd. You had to have been there in 2004, to see how it was. This city and all the fans loved the coach. Even tho they locked him out of the locker room in LA, they won two cups in three seasons.

I would rather keep Sutter and lose the soft players that can't handle being coached by an authority figure.

Key word is was.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Maybe it's just me, but I get the impression that a lot of the people who hate Sutter, are probably a younger crowd. You had to have been there in 2004, to see how it was. This city and all the fans loved the coach. Even tho they locked him out of the locker room in LA, they won two cups in three seasons.

I would rather keep Sutter and lose the soft players that can't handle being coached by an authority figure.

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I like Sutter, I lean toward the “figure it out” side of things toward the players. But if we’re talking about guys like Lindholm and Backlund wanting out if Sutter stays? (one of the best centres we’ve ever had in Lindholm and one of the most loyal players who absolutely knows how to turn the intensity up in the playoffs in Backlund)

Then… nah, you go with the players. It’s one thing if it’s new guys or guys with a history of pouting. But if it’s guys who has no history of being soft or mailing it in? Forget it, dump the coach.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Maybe it's just me, but I get the impression that a lot of the people who hate Sutter, are probably a younger crowd. You had to have been there in 2004, to see how it was. This city and all the fans loved the coach. Even tho they locked him out of the locker room in LA, they won two cups in three seasons.

I would rather keep Sutter and lose the soft players that can't handle being coached by an authority figure.

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I remember '04 like it was yesterday. Memories I will always cherish.

Sutter's last cup win was in '14. He was locked out in '17. A lot can happen in 3 years. Winning two cups (or even three) does not give you infinite immunity from criticism until the end of time.

Just how exactly are you going to magically get rid of all the contracts of the players you're calling "soft"?

But I think you are missing the point here... the problem here isn't "soft players" or "hard coach", the problem (as far as I can tell) is that the style of hockey that best utilizes the talents of these players is different from the style Sutter wants this team to play. When a 115 point player suddenly puts up a 50 point season, there clearly is a problem, and it's not going to be corrected by simply continuing with the status quo for another year.

In my opinion, Sutter is a great coach, but not an ideal fit for the group of players that are under contract here for the forseeable future.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Maybe it's just me, but I get the impression that a lot of the people who hate Sutter, are probably a younger crowd. You had to have been there in 2004, to see how it was. This city and all the fans loved the coach. Even tho they locked him out of the locker room in LA, they won two cups in three seasons.

I would rather keep Sutter and lose the soft players that can't handle being coached by an authority figure.

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You can be a hard ass without being an ass. I thought Sutter was a master communicator and motivator during the 2004 run. Not friendly by any means but businesslike. 2023 Sutter is a much grumpier, surlier version.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by edslunch

You can be a hard ass without being an ass. I thought Sutter was a master communicator and motivator during the 2004 run. Not friendly by any means but businesslike. 2023 Sutter is a much grumpier, surlier version.

Is he really though? I just don’t see that people are assessing this correctly. Stuff gets blown out of proportion purely because the team didn’t win. He was short with some less than professional reporters. Everything else is assumptions and hearsay. There’s hours of footage in pregame, off day and post game interviews where he’s perfectly pleasant.

I think it’s the listeners that are grumpier.