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[mile]

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Lewis and Coleman:

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Tanev and Backlund:

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Andersson and Toffoli:

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Kadri:

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Mangiapane:

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Zadorov:

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Dube and Stecher:

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Lucic and Hanifin:

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Stone and Vladar:

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[Toonage]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Disagree. We’re a nicer city than Denver. Take a stroll down 16th street mall and compare the our 8th Ave.

What Denver does have is an amazing ability to fly anywhere, and the surrounding area is awesome.

The city itself isn’t great. I would rather live here.

Its also got Blucifer. Don't forget that.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Disagree. We’re a nicer city than Denver. Take a stroll down 16th street mall and compare the our 8th Ave.

What Denver does have is an amazing ability to fly anywhere, and the surrounding area is awesome.

The city itself isn’t great. I would rather live here.

I can't believe people like NYC. The city is a total dump. Having lots of money doesn't solve that.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

What did Tkachuk lie about?

Both of these guys leaving is on management, Johnny should have been extended off season 21 and he was willing, Tkachuk was given a walk away contract to save a few bucks on the cap to keep Michael friken Frolik

People want to blame the players when GM totally botched it

[PeteMoss]

My two cents - if you're going to suck- then suck badly. Doing a half ass rebuild is just a path to mediocrity. You need to finish near the bottom of the league to get an elite guy (or get lucky). Fiddling around like the Canucks and being bad but still good enough to pick 8-14 every year gets you nowhere.

If you are going to rebuild - then you trade everyone with value who's past their prime- Backlund, Mangiapane, Lindholm, Toffoli, Tanev, Zadorov, Hanifin and if you can find someone to take Markstrom - you do that as well. I assume Weegar, Huberdeau and Kadri have too much term and money to have any value.

[PeteMoss]

Those videos are screwing up the page when they load in.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

My two cents - if you're going to suck- then suck badly. Doing a half ass rebuild is just a path to mediocrity. You need to finish near the bottom of the league to get an elite guy (or get lucky). Fiddling around like the Canucks and being bad but still good enough to pick 8-14 every year gets you nowhere.

If you are going to rebuild - then you trade everyone with value who's past their prime- Backlund, Mangiapane, Lindholm, Toffoli, Tanev, Zadorov, Hanifin and if you can find someone to take Markstrom - you do that as well. I assume Weegar, Huberdeau and Kadri have too much term and money to have any value.

I'd keep Markstrom if you rebuild basis the last year. I think a team would totally take Weegar's contract as well

[activeStick]

It's fine for me....

[FlamesAddiction]

Yeah, after hearing those interviews for myself, I have to agree with others who said Backlund and Lindholm already have one foot out the door. Backlund pretty much stated it. "I love the city, but after the season we had.... I am 34 years old and want to win a Cup".

Lindholm really stumbled through his answer and finished with; "I have one year left, and that is all I'll say".

Can't lose these guys for nothing. Trade them this off season. Even if they tickle the GM's balls like Gaudreau did to Treliving, we can't go down that road again.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

That's an accurate representation of what they said.

Good grief guys, it's only been a couple hours and now they 100% don't want to extend. The fanbase is 98% of why this stuff gets off the rails. Keep the facts straight at least for more than a couple hours.

LOL - we are not the fanbase. We are a bunch of maniacs none of them listen to (if they have any sense).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

LOL - we are not the fanbase. We are a bunch of maniacs none of them listen to (if they have any sense).

Yeah, if you go to a game, a whole schwack of attendees love them some Lucic, cheer for Sutter, couldn't ID Lindholm, Coleman or Hanifin without a number (and even then maybe not), and just generally cheer for the C.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Its also got Blucifer. Don't forget that.

Lizzard Illuminati gotta live somewhere

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Lizzard Illuminati gotta live somewhere

Is that you, Hecklefish?

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Its also got Blucifer. Don't forget that.

Interesting fact: Blucifer is highly cursed and killed its creator. It also has a fully formed anus and balls

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yeah, after hearing those interviews for myself, I have to agree with others who said Backlund and Lindholm already have one foot out the door. Backlund pretty much stated it. "I love the city, but after the season we had.... I am 34 years old and want to win a Cup".

Lindholm really stumbled through his answer and finished with; "I have one year left, and that is all I'll say".

Can't lose these guys for nothing. Trade them this off season. Even if they tickle the GM's balls like Gaudreau did to Treliving, we can't go down that road again.

I wonder if the new guys getting long term, big pay days before even playing for the team effects these guys too.
They put in the blood, sweat and tears and probably feel a little under appreciated.
Backlund has always been treated like the depth guy on the 3rd line, so I have no problems with him wanting move on if he does. He has given a lot to this team, the city and fans, so good for him if he wants to go try and win a cup.
I'd love to see him win one.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I wonder if the new guys getting long term, big pay days before even playing for the team effects these guys too.
They put in the blood, sweat and tears and probably feel a little under appreciated.
Backlund has always been treated like the depth guy on the 3rd line, so I have no problems with him wanting move on if he does. He has given a lot to this team, the city and fans, so good for him if he wants to go try and win a cup.
I'd love to see him win one.

Listening to the After Burner season wrap up, I thought Rhett and Dean really put it into perspective. Not about the money thing, although that could be a thing as well.

Rhett talked about when he was in Buffalo and they had a big turnover. He said it's tough when you become good friends with guys, then they leave and new people come in. You lose those personal connections and it is hard. Dean mentioned that he had been in work places where there is big turnover and the feeling of disconnect for the people who stay. Especially when you see the people you worked with going on to do better things. I can relate my own life experience to that too. I worked for a company that let a bunch of people go and hired new people. The new people loved it there, but it was never the same for me after that, so I ended up leaving once I could. I think in some ways, it's actually easier to be the new guy, than the old guys. Especially when you were the one running the show and some of the guys come in are supposed to take over part of that.

From Lindholm's perspective, he went from centering the top line in hockey, then seeing both those guys leave for big money, and in Tkachuk's case, to a beach house in south Florida. His production went down as well, so he is probably now second guessing his own value.

In a way, I wonder if it wasn't a mistake to not trade Lindholm and Backlund before this season. This isn't one I'd hold Treliving to as a mistake, because it didn't seem necessary at the time, but when a new core is brought in, I bet it really shifts the mood in the room. The old guard that remains probably feels pretty irritated, and to follow that up with a bad season, likely just cements the idea that they should move on as well.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Working my way through the videos (thanks mile). Weegar impresses me. Big part of the future whether that's a re-build or not.

[Southside403]

Originally Posted by Igottago

What's the case for keeping the GM if year after year some the better players want to leave the team?

Looks like the gm has his hands full will be interesting off season

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Listening to the After Burner season wrap up, I thought Rhett and Dean really put it into perspective. Not about the money thing, although that could be a thing as well.

Rhett talked about when he was in Buffalo and they had a big turnover. He said it's tough when you become good friends with guys, then they leave and new people come in. You lose those personal connections and it is hard. Dean mentioned that he had been in work places where there is big turnover and the feeling of disconnect for the people who stay. Especially when you see the people you worked with going on to do better things. I can relate my own life experience to that too. I worked for a company that let a bunch of people go and hired new people. The new people loved it there, but it was never the same for me after that, so I ended leaving once I could. I think in some ways, it's actually easier to be the new guy, than the old guys.

From Lindholm's perspective, he went from centering the top line in hockey, then seeing both those guys leave for big money, and in Tkachuk's case, to a beach house in south Florida. His production went down as well, so he is probably now second guessing his own value.

In a way, I wonder if it wasn't a mistake to not trade Lindholm and Backlund before this season. This isn't one I'd hold Treliving to as a mistake, because it didn't seem necessary at the time, but when a new core is brought in, I bet it really shifts the mood in the room. The old guard that remains probably feels pretty irritated, and to follow that up with a bad season, likely just cements the idea that they should move on as well.

That all makes sense. But for whatever reason money/lifestyle/pandemic uncertainty etc those core pieces chose to move on or had their body break down on them. If Monahan is healthy, they don't sign Kadri and trade Mony and they have likely give him the c.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Listening to the After Burner season wrap up, I thought Rhett and Dean really put it into perspective. Not about the money thing, although that could be a thing as well.

Rhett talked about when he was in Buffalo and they had a big turnover. He said it's tough when you become good friends with guys, then they leave and new people come in. You lose those personal connections and it is hard. Dean mentioned that he had been in work places where there is big turnover and the feeling of disconnect for the people who stay. Especially when you see the people you worked with going on to do better things. I can relate my own life experience to that too. I worked for a company that let a bunch of people go and hired new people. The new people loved it there, but it was never the same for me after that, so I ended leaving once I could. I think in some ways, it's actually easier to be the new guy, than the old guys.

From Lindholm's perspective, he went from centering the top line in hockey, then seeing both those guys leave for big money, and in Tkachuk's case, to a beach house in south Florida. His production went down as well, so he is probably now second guessing his own value.

In a way, I wonder if it wasn't a mistake to not trade Lindholm and Backlund before this season. This isn't one I'd hold Treliving to as a mistake, because it didn't seem necessary at the time, but when a new core is brought in, I bet it really shifts the mood in the room. The old guard that remains probably feels pretty irritated, and to follow that up with a bad season, likely just cements the idea that they should move on as well.

But those guys chose to leave, Treliving didn't punt them so I am not sure why they would be irritated at that.

He still put together a good team and players that would have allowed Lindholm to continue to produce but for obvious reasons that didn't happen.

So there is something going on which is causing guys to to think they are ready to leave and they need to figure it out. Gaudreau and Tkachuk got offered 10.5 million a piece and chose to leave for less money. Now we have 2 more core players no comital to staying. Huberdeau and Weegar signed before playing a game.

So there is an issue and its not just losing your friends and they need to do a deep dive into what is driving players away.