[Rumour] Assistant General Managers Craig Conroy and Don Maloney extended

[Reggie Dunlop]

There’s a process to follow

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Or it could be that goaltending was so bad (.890 save percentage, 7th worst in the NHL) that he had to adapt and lock everything down to limit scoring chances as much as possible.

I'm honestly surprised that there could be 7 teams with a worse save percentage than the Flames got this year.

I don't deny that goaltending was the primary issue that led to the team not making the playoffs. It was for sure. I do think that when it comes to entertainment and enjoyability of being part of the Flames this season though, there was a disconnect between the players and coaches.

Sutter typically coaches a style that prevents chances against, so I don't know if I buy that he changed things up defensively so much, rather I think the issue was offensive strategy.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

13th in even strength goals so no the offence wasn't fine, it could have been a lot better if he didn't staple him to Kadris wing or play a system with a bunch of rush shots and players not making the extra plays.

He misused a star player and it cost us a playoff spot. But he won't take the blame.

I see 8th ... where are you getting 13th?

And you can have that opinion for sure, but it doesn't make it a fact.

Huberdeau should be looking at the mirror and not his head coach for his season.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

13th in even strength goals so no the offence wasn't fine, it could have been a lot better if he didn't staple him to Kadris wing or play a system with a bunch of rush shots and players not making the extra plays.

He misused a star player and it cost us a playoff spot. But he won't take the blame.

You literally posted earlier this year that you thought systems didn't matter at the NHL level and now it's all you talk about. I get you don't like Sutter but you don't think Huberdeau had any responsibility in his huge drop? Even after you saw him come on strong for the end of the season?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I see 8th ... where are you getting 13th?

And you can have that opinion for sure, but it doesn't make it a fact.

Huberdeau should be looking at the mirror and not his head coach for his season.

Got it ... you're doing even strength and I'm doing 5 on 5

I wouldn't lump 3 on 3 into a coaching analysis.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I see 8th ... where are you getting 13th?

And you can have that opinion for sure, but it doesn't make it a fact.

Huberdeau should be looking at the mirror and not his head coach for his season.

https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask/nhl...strength-goals

Looks like 13th to me.

The player doesn't create the system structure and pick his linemates the coach does. Yeah he wasn't perfect but he was treated like hes a bum from the get go that's on the coach.

It might be 1930 on the barn but its 2023 in the real world he needs to learn to adapt to people and styles.

[Hackey]

The organization shpuld be cleaning house but instead their extending. Good plan.

[Reign of Fire]

[Madman]

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask/nhl...strength-goals

Looks like 13th to me.

The player doesn't create the system structure and pick his linemates the coach does. Yeah he wasn't perfect but he was treated like hes a bum from the get go that's on the coach.

It might be 1930 on the barn but its 2023 in the real world he needs to learn to adapt to people and styles.

8th five on five.
13th even strength.

The former is the better view of a team's offence.

Treated like a bum? You know this how?

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

There's 8 million reasons Sutter ain't going anywhere. Not sure why this is so hard to comprehend for some people.

If you think a new coach could get this team into the playoffs, wouldn't gate receipts go some ways towards reducing that 'cost'?

[nik-]

In fairness, most of our games are on at like 3:00 AM in London. That's probably what's causing the disconnect.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

8th five on five.
13th even strength.

The former is the better view of a team's offence.

Treated like a bum? You know this how?

No no you are right. Offence was fine and Huberdeau was put in a great position to succeed, the coach did everything he could.

Taking shots at him through the media and trying to mold him into a 60 point checker and keeping him off the top PP unit, thats what top coaches do.

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Odd to extend the assistants when you’re not sure if the boss will be back. One would think a new boss would want their own assistants.

Someone's replacing Murray Edwards?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No no you are right. Offence was fine and Huberdeau was put in a great position to succeed, the coach did everything he could.

Taking shots at him through the media and trying to mold him into a 60 point checker and keeping him off the top PP unit, thats what top coaches do.

Just chill out man...

8th in 5 on 5 offence is a fact. No point in getting all testy about it. It's top ten. Offence wasn't a problem.

The powerplay was a problem.

You could be right on Huberdeau. You honestly could be.

But 90% of what you spew is your opinion and not a fact. A player that puts up 60 points is a 60 point player. He was asked to play defense and within a system like pretty much every player in the league. I'm sure Sutter wished he was more like the 115 point guy too.

I like the player, I think he'll be fine, but he doesn't get a pass. It's on him.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by RobotTalk

Take this as an orange Julius rumour if you want, but whilst having drinks with a Flames head office staffer they said the plan was to find a way for Sutter to exit gracefully (e.g. not fired but respectfully put out to pasture) given the extent to which he’d lost the room contrasted with his contributions to the flames/nhl over his career.

We didn’t talk about Trelivings future. Given this persons role, I’d assume they’d have an inside track on office gossip/planning but wouldn’t have access to the discussions between Edwards and Treliving, so I’d take the chat as a strong rumour data point but nothing I’d bet the farm on.

Ken King tried that the first time they fired him. IIRC They said in the press release Darryl would stay on as an advisor. He obviously didn't

[zamler]

Insanity is wrongly attributing that quote to Einstein over and over.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Its been almost 10 years. If he doesn't have it down yet, its not happening.

Hasn't Conny had a bunch of different roles, though during that time? Seems to me he's done a lot of non-AGM type things over the period.

[NewFan]

If Treliving is staying, Sutter is better quit or moved to other positions.
I think Treliving extend 2 years.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Odd to extend the assistants when you’re not sure if the boss will be back. One would think a new boss would want their own assistants.

Perhaps the plan is to go with Conroy or Maloney as GM if Brad walks?