2014-15 - Kings were 5th in xGF%. Missed the playoffs.
2016-17 - Kings were 3rd in xGF%. Missed the playoffs.
2020-21 - Flames were 3rd in xGF% under Sutter. 15-15 record. Missed Playoffs.
2022-23 - Flames were 3rd in xGF%. Missed the playoffs.
At what point do these results stop becoming about "bad luck" and start becoming a reflection of the system and coach in place? His teams are always analytically "elite" and while that's nice to point at on paper the results speaks for themselves in recent memory. That's 4 missed playoffs in his past 6 seasons as an NHL coach, with just 6 playoff wins total. That's not good enough.
Because Darryl himself is a conundrum. He likes an analytically elite style, but dislikes the type of players that can capitalize on that style. He loves to employ a possession-based style, but also loves tough, gritty players whose downside is usually that they don't know what to do with the puck when they have it.
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Because Darryl himself is a conundrum. He likes an analytically elite style, but dislikes the type of players that can capitalize on that style. He loves to employ a possession-based style, but also loves tough, gritty players whose downside is usually that they don't know what to do with the puck when they have it.
I was listening to the radio today and they were talking about how Jamie Benn lead the league in scoring with 87 points in 2015; not even that long ago.
Now we 10-13 guys over 100.
The league has changed fast and Sutter doesn't want to change with it. He's an incredibly smart hockey man, but his stubbornness to adapt has been obvious this season.
I was listening to the radio today and they were talking about how Jamie Benn lead the league in scoring with 87 points in 2015; not even that long ago.
Now we 10-13 guys over 100.
The league has changed fast and Sutter doesn't want to change with it. He's an incredibly smart hockey man, but his stubbornness to adapt has been obvious this season.
Well, also goaltending makes any coach look brilliant. Kipper when he was on - Sutter was brilliant. Quick when he was on, Sutter was brilliant. Markstrom last year - Sutter was brilliant.
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With a night to sleep on it there's actually some relief for me that the drama is over. Don't have to worry about if this unreliable team is getting in or not. Now can look to sorting this mess out over the next few months.
Though once playoff start it'll be a kick in the nuts again.... listening to the oilers propaganda machine.
Imagine positive posters acting holier than thou and being shocked when negative posters post negative things when negative things happen. Strange that. No one said anything about having stronger "fan values". But don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.
I think your posts speak for themselves as to where you stand.
Plus, caring about "positive posters" acting "holier than thou" is hilarious. We're all fans of the same team. You... don't like fans who enjoy watching and cheering for the team you say you're a fan of because you don't think it's fun? That's absurd lol.
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And for the record...I have watched very little Flames hockey this year (especially the latter half), and didn't spend a dime on tickets/merch etc.
I can tell.
It's fine to be a casual, or a bandwagon jumper, or someone who just wants to cosplay as a Flames' fan for some reason. Wear the jersey, talk vaguely about performance in games you didn't watch, call yourself a fan because you've weirdly tied your identity to it and not because you actually like it. Say it's "in your veins." Nobody cares. But you don't watch the games, you don't enjoy wins, you don't like fans that enjoy the club, so you pretty much deserved the mocking for patting yourself on the back for a negative take.
I watched the Afterburner show after Dion's post last night (thanks Dion!). Can't believe I have never watched it as I liked warrener/pinder/boomer on 960. It was so refreshing to hear two guys around the team that are blunt and don't sugarcoat things (Wills, Loubo) for fear of alienating the flames organization. Warrener was really blunt in his assessment of who was not good this year. Obviously Wills and Loubo have to be diplomatic and maintain relationships, which is fine.
Sure the barn buner guys may be opinionated, but it was cathartic to hear somebody in the media be blunt for once.
With a night to sleep on it there's actually some relief for me that the drama is over. Don't have to worry about if this unreliable team is getting in or not. Now can look to sorting this mess out over the next few months.
Though once playoff start it'll be a kick in the nuts again.... listening to the oilers propaganda machine.
Feel the same way that finally this season full of drama has come to an end (at least the on ice portion). Time to plan for the future and put this nightmare behind us. I’m probably going to tune out of the playoffs until oilers are out. It will be insufferable with the sportsnet McDavid love fest.
Their year over year consistency is mediocre... at the very least its emotionally draining.
Weird part is it's not necessarily inconsistency in play. It's been inconsistency in finishing and goaltending. This team's season to season PDO swings have been hilarious under Treliving as GM.
They have been a top team in terms of xGF% going back to having Gulutzan as coach in the 17-18 season (19-20 the one execption), but have been getting inconsistent shooting and save results.
This team's shooting percentage and save percentage has Yo-Yo'd good and bad for 7 years now...with multiple coaching changes, different forwards, and different goalies. A bit weird for sure.
Finally, this awful season has come to a merciful end. Very fitting for it to end the way it did as well. The plethora of missed scoring opportunities, the bad goals by Markstrom, the awful looking PP and the loss in OT/SO; just the perfect finish to end this miserable season.
Ritichie tried the same move last night as he did a few weeks ago but didn't get past the goalie's stick this time.
The choice of Huberdeau and Kadri was also Sutter giving those guys who have underperformed this season, the chance to make the difference for the team in the biggest game of the year.
As said before, at least Ritchie didn't bobble the puck or shoot in the crest like a couple others did who are supposedly more skilled forwards.
Ritichie tried the same move last night as he did a few weeks ago but didn't get past the goalie's stick this time.
The choice of Huberdeau and Kadri was also Sutter giving those guys who have underperformed this season, the chance to make the difference for the team in the biggest game of the year.
As said before, at least Ritchie didn't bobble the puck or shoot in the crest like a couple others did who are supposedly more skilled forwards.
The bolded part makes sense, which is why it should have been Toffoli or Lindholm.
Ride or die by your top players; it's the biggest moment of your season.
I don't think most people are saying Ritchie is to blame, he actually gave a good effort. We're just saying it shouldn't have been him, it's on Sutter.
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The bolded part makes sense, which is why it should have been Toffoli or Lindholm.
Ride or die by your top players; it's the biggest moment of your season.
I don't think most people are saying Ritchie is to blame, he actually gave a good effort. We're just saying it shouldn't have been him, it's on Sutter.
Yeah, not only is he not a scorer, he was being asked to do something he’s only rarely done before. At least Toffoli and Lindholm have been put in pressure situations before. Toffoli has cup rings.
Whenever a coach gets blames for something I always suggest asking yourself if it's likely he'd actually coach that way?
Can we think of any reason why Sutter would say "don't do any across the slot passes this year! None!" when his team scored a lot of goals doing exactly that the season before?
I can't see it.
Just like I couldn't see Bill Peters telling his team to back in on his goaltenders against the Avalanche in the playoffs.
Why?
I think to some degree the team doesn't have the mix that creates the chances that result in cross slot passing.
It doesn't have to be that explicit. I agree that Sutter is probably not saying "no cross-ice passes". What he is probably doing is berating guys who turn the puck over trying to make creative plays. And maybe not even every time, but over time you coach that creativity right out of your players. Why take the risk of a low-percentage play if the coach might ream you out, or reduce your ice time or especially reduce your PP time?
Make the safe play. Toe the line. It's no secret Sutter is hard on players that don't play the game the "right way".
I thought Huberdeau's game last night was interesting. I saw more creativity from him last night than I've seen in a while. It seemed like he said "damn the torpedoes, I'm gonna play the way I want to play" because it was a must-win game, and who cares if Darryl doesn't like it.
Last season was a total aberration for Sutter teams. He coaches every team he's on as if it is the 03-04 Flames, has very limited offensive talent and has to increase shot volume to generate chances because it can't make high-danger plays. That could take many forms, and being 32nd in the league in cross-ice passes is in my view a prime *symptom* of what he is coaching this team to do (or, not do, to be more specific).
It doesn't have to be that explicit. I agree that Sutter is probably not saying "no cross-ice passes". What he is probably doing is berating guys who turn the puck over trying to make creative plays. And maybe not even every time, but over time you coach that creativity right out of your players. Why take the risk of a low-percentage play if the coach might ream you out, or reduce your ice time or especially reduce your PP time?
Make the safe play. Toe the line. It's no secret Sutter is hard on players that don't play the game the "right way".
I thought Huberdeau's game last night was interesting. I saw more creativity from him last night than I've seen in a while. It seemed like he said "damn the torpedoes, I'm gonna play the way I want to play" because it was a must-win game, and who cares if Darryl doesn't like it.
Last season was a total aberration for Sutter teams. He coaches every team he's on as if it is the 03-04 Flames, has very limited offensive talent and has to increase shot volume to generate chances because it can't make high-danger plays. That could take many forms, and being 32nd in the league in cross-ice passes is in my view a prime *symptom* of what he is coaching this team to do (or, not do, to be more specific).
Then why did Huberdeau lead all forwards in EV ice time? If he said “screw Darryl’s system,” I’m gonna play my way, then why didn’t Darryl bench him for going astray?
There’s this ridiculous and laughable notion that Sutter only wants slow dump and chase hockey with no turnovers and no excitement. But then why did Darryl tell Huberdeau that he needs to pick up his pace of play. Why was Gaudreau and Tkachuk getting all those big minutes last year for allegedly going rogue on Sutter.
None of this narrative makes any sense nor do the stats back it up.
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I think your posts speak for themselves as to where you stand.
Clearly not in this case, as most assumptions you've made have been in error.
I think you interpret a lack of rage as a lack of passion, which is another mistake.
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Our division has been weak. Both seasons we won the division we got absolutely mopped in the post-season. Yes, last year was against a divisional opponent, but they then went on and got swept...
Not to mention the two guys leading our team (JG and Chucky)...it was painfully obvious they were never getting us anywhere. Mediocre through and through.
Schedules are more balanced in the last 15 years than before. Winning a division is still winning a division. You can't take that away to win an argument of mediocrity.
The bolded part makes sense, which is why it should have been Toffoli or Lindholm.
Ride or die by your top players; it's the biggest moment of your season.
I don't think most people are saying Ritchie is to blame, he actually gave a good effort. We're just saying it shouldn't have been him, it's on Sutter.
I get what you are saying, but Toffoli is 2/11 lifetime in shootouts, Lindholm is 0/3.
Lindholm's lack of chances suggest he's never been considered a decent choice anytime in his career.
Remember, Sutter would have a chance of seeing the players perform in practice, so he should have a pretty decent idea who is good and who is bad on breakaways.
Did he make a good choice? I really don't know, I'm not privy to all of his information.
