I like Jacob Markstrom

[Roof-Daddy]

IMO Markstrom is the biggest reason the Flames missed the playoffs this season, and it's not even close.

He'll probably be a top 5 or 10 goalie next season, because you know....goalies...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

IMO Markstrom is the biggest reason the Flames missed the playoffs this season, and it's not even close.

He'll probably be a top 5 or 10 goalie next season, because you know....goalies...

I was thinking about how Bobrovsky has had on and off years and wondering if Markstrom is that kind of guy.

I think even more than most goalies Markstrom is driven by confidence. The injury changed his season two years ago, and like this year, he showed signs of regaining confidence at the end of the season. Last year he indeed regained it and played great. This year was tough - he was hung out to dry a bunch of times and didd’t make the fantastic save to make up for it. And gradually that seemed to become a theme and get into his head. But he’s played with a lot more confidence in this stretch, whether it raised his save% or not. So that’s hope for next year.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I was thinking about how Bobrovsky has had on and off years and wondering if Markstrom is that kind of guy.

I think even more than most goalies Markstrom is driven by confidence. The injury changed his season two years ago, and like this year, he showed signs of regaining confidence at the end of the season. Last year he indeed regained it and played great. This year was tough - he was hung out to dry a bunch of times and didd’t make the fantastic save to make up for it. And gradually that seemed to become a theme and get into his head. But he’s played with a lot more confidence in this stretch, whether it raised his save% or not. So that’s hope for next year.

I have no hope for him.

Jacob Markstrom is NO GOOD.

Want an apt comparison?? Tommi Salo.

Dude was just fine and then got mentally destroyed by Belarus in the Olympics, he never recovered.

Markstrom got mentally destroyed in the playoffs by the Oilers, and I have zero faith he will recover.

Hopefully he overtrains in the offseason ensuring he ends up on LTIR for the remainder of his contract.

[tvp2003]

Markstrom isn't going anywhere (unless he waives his NMC and I don't see why he would).

I'm also confident that he will bounce back from what has been a statistically awful season. We've seen signs of it recently (too little, far too late), the question is whether he will just be average or above average. I don't think he will be "elite" but I don't think we need him to be either.

The bigger question for me is how we manage Vladar and Wolf; I have no faith that Sutter trusts Vladar and Wolf is still has some uncertainty despite being absolutely fantastic in the AHL. I like Vladar but I think he can be moved; the question is when as the return won't be much in any event.

[The Fisher Account]

Pretty simple. Dude got the yips. 100% will never recover. He's David Duval with goalie pads

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

I have no hope for him.

Jacob Markstrom is NO GOOD.

Want an apt comparison?? Tommi Salo.

Dude was just fine and then got mentally destroyed by Belarus in the Olympics, he never recovered.

Markstrom got mentally destroyed in the playoffs by the Oilers, and I have zero faith he will recover.

Hopefully he overtrains in the offseason ensuring he ends up on LTIR for the remainder of his contract.

I bet you said the same thing before last season.

Was Markstrom good in his last 3 games or not? .931, .939, .970. He's .915 in April. He was pretty decent in December as well. He was terribly inconsistent and his team didn't help him out with the grade A chances popping up out of nowhere as well.

As for Salo, he was (a) never that good. Two decent seasons. And while he was mediocre, his post Olympics were on par for the rest of his career, and his record reflects the team he played for. In 03-04 he was .896 and then got traded to the Avs where he was suddenly .912.

[doozwimp]

He got screwed on the second goal last night. Might still have a slim chance for redemption if the ref wasn't an idiot.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by doozwimp

He got screwed on the second goal last night. Might still have a slim chance for redemption if the ref wasn't an idiot.

how about that 1st goal he gave up last night? He has a clause in his contract that he gets paid more if the Flames trail after the 1st period. Mental midget!

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by doozwimp

He got screwed on the second goal last night. Might still have a slim chance for redemption if the ref wasn't an idiot.

Sorry a bad bounce doesn't redeem him, he was the second best goalie on the night again even with a .931 save % Saros was a .955. Saros made several stops that gave the Preds a chance to win the game. I honestly don't care what Markstroms save % is he never stops the puck when this team needs him to make a save. This includes on the first shot of the game.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

how about that 1st goal he gave up last night? He has a clause in his contract that he gets paid more if the Flames trail after the 1st period. Mental midget!

He made a mistake that almost every goalie has. He's been very good playing the puck this year and moreso lately. I can only recall one other like that all year.

Originally Posted by GFG#1

Sorry a bad bounce doesn't redeem him, he was the second best goalie on the night again even with a .931 save % Saros was a .955. Saros made several stops that gave the Preds a chance to win the game. I honestly don't care what Markstroms save % is he never stops the puck when this team needs him to make a save. This includes on the first shot of the game.

Markstrom had the team where they could win, which is all you can ask. And made a few key stops in the second and third to make it that way, just like Saros. He has nothing to do with how Saros plays. Andersson had Saros down and out and couldn't score.

When the game was there to be won, the Flames sent out a guy with 25 points in 74 games this season, mostly from tipping and shoving in rebounds. The Preds sent out a kid with 41 points in 49 games who had a dynamite move.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He made a mistake that almost every goalie has. He's been very good playing the puck this year and moreso lately. I can only recall one other like that all year.




Markstrom had the team where they could win, which is all you can ask. And made a few key stops in the second and third to make it that way, just like Saros. He has nothing to do with how Saros plays. Andersson had Saros down and out and couldn't score.

When the game was there to be won, the Flames sent out a guy with 25 points in 74 games this season, mostly from tipping and shoving in rebounds. The Preds sent out a kid with 41 points in 49 games who had a dynamite move.

Stop defending him. How many times has he let in a piss poor goal in the first 3 shots of the game? It seems we are always trailing after 20 mins when he is in net.

Besides he can eff off just due to his crap ass play in the playoffs last year against the Oilers. You can't be a starting goalie for the Flames when you have the yips against the Oiler. Full stop.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Preds sent out a kid with 41 points in 49 games who had a dynamite move.

Off topic but...

Tommy Novak - 25 years old - 135 points in 157 AHL games - 0.86 PPG.

Matthew Phillips - 25 years old - 236 points in 262 AHL games - 0.90 PPG.

The Predators playing Novak, Evangelista, and Tomasino would be the equivalent of the Flames playing Phillips, Zary, and Pelletier.

And IMO all three of those guys provided a bit of a spark for the Preds down the stretch here - while those three didn't see the ice on the Flames side.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Stop defending him. How many times has he let in a piss poor goal in the first 3 shots of the game? It seems we are always trailing after 20 mins when he is in net.

Besides he can eff off just due to his crap ass play in the playoffs last year against the Oilers. You can't be a starting goalie for the Flames when you have the yips against the Oiler. Full stop.

Dude, go back and read the post I responded to. He literally did IN THAT GAME what Saros was said to have done - put his team in a position to win. Last night his team let him down in OT and the shootout. Not the other way around.

I don't know how many times he let in a "piss poor shot" in the first 3. He certainly let in a fair amount of non-piss poor shots in the first 3, which is a problem, but not quite the same.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Dude, go back and read the post I responded to. He literally did IN THAT GAME what Saros was said to have done - put his team in a position to win. Last night his team let him down in OT and the shootout. Not the other way around.

I don't know how many times he let in a "piss poor shot" in the first 3. He certainly let in a fair amount of non-piss poor shots in the first 3, which is a problem, but not quite the same.

Marky has cost the Flames many, many times this year, but last night was certainly not one of those times. He played great if you count the entire game.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Marky has cost the Flames many, many times this year, but last night was certainly not one of those times. He played great if you count the entire game.

Yup. Posters just are too fixated on hating Markstrom (who has been generally bad) that they can't stand commentary on individual games or goals. And the bias makes them overblow things, like early goals. Suddenly all the early goals which were usually on grade A chances, have become goals on "piss poor shots". It's possible to say Markstrom had a terrible year without the hyperbole.

I want to find positives, and his last month had a few, including his last three games.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yup. Posters just are too fixated on hating Markstrom (who has been generally bad) that they can't stand commentary on individual games or goals. And the bias makes them overblow things, like early goals. Suddenly all the early goals which were usually on grade A chances, have become goals on "piss poor shots". It's possible to say Markstrom had a terrible year without the hyperbole.

I want to find positives, and his last month had a few, including his last three games.

Correct. I’ve been very down on Marky many times this season, but he ‘s not always terrible.

He played great last night.

[Toonage]

He's played well of late but that's part of the issue. The consistency this year. He was awful then ok, then awful, then ok.

He never really regained his form. Just glimpses of it.

And the first goal last night was a mistake he makes quite often. Doesn't necessarily get burned by it every time, but he has a bad habit of getting out of his net or playing the puck when his D are there to support him. Completely unnecessary.

Last year he was the least of my concerns. I called him the best goalie the Flames have had since Kiprusoff. A lot of that good will was complete erased from the Oilers series to last night.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He made a mistake that almost every goalie has. He's been very good playing the puck this year and moreso lately. I can only recall one other like that all year.




Markstrom had the team where they could win, which is all you can ask. And made a few key stops in the second and third to make it that way, just like Saros. He has nothing to do with how Saros plays. Andersson had Saros down and out and couldn't score.

When the game was there to be won, the Flames sent out a guy with 25 points in 74 games this season, mostly from tipping and shoving in rebounds. The Preds sent out a kid with 41 points in 49 games who had a dynamite move.

So going into the shootout last night, you were confident Markstrom was going to stop more attempts than Saros?

The first attempt looked like a routine save, Markstrom looked behind him, the puck hit the post. The second attempt he stuck with the shooter, but the puck still went under his pad, lucky enough it bounced across instead of towards the net. 3rd went in, but Markstrom had his glove on it, and should have been able to at least block it.

Same with Vancouver game, there was no way he was going to outduel Demko in the shootout. He has been the second best goalie on the ice all season, and you can say he needs more run support, and maybe that is true. But he has to be able to make a save when the team needs it more often than not.

he has 12 OT/SO losses this year, he makes that 1 more save in half those games the Playoffs are clinched last week. an .892 save % is not good enough for a starting goalie in the NHL. he is tied for 48th in Save % every goalie ahead of him has played at least 20 games. 31 goalies ahead of him have played 30+ games. The flames probably make the playoffs by a clear margin if he has a .900 save%

I honestly do not understand how anyone can be defending Markstrom's play this year. Has there been other issues, absolutely, however, in at least 10 of the flames losses with Markstrom in net the team in front of him has played well enough to win. Which if he even holds down the fort in 5 of those they are in the playoffs.

Some of the blame should ride on Sutter for continually playing him, by the time he decided to ride Vladar his game had fallen off, but early in the season when he was hot had he been given a few more starts it is likely the Flames would be in a playoff spot as well.

[Johnny Makarov]

Doesn't matter. If you can't beat the Oilers you need to get the eff out of town!

We would have been a top 3 seed in the west if Vladar played the majority of the games.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GFG#1

So going into the shootout last night, you were confident Markstrom was going to stop more attempts than Saros?

The first attempt looked like a routine save, Markstrom looked behind him, the puck hit the post. The second attempt he stuck with the shooter, but the puck still went under his pad, lucky enough it bounced across instead of towards the net. 3rd went in, but Markstrom had his glove on it, and should have been able to at least block it.

Same with Vancouver game, there was no way he was going to outduel Demko in the shootout. He has been the second best goalie on the ice all season, and you can say he needs more run support, and maybe that is true. But he has to be able to make a save when the team needs it more often than not.

he has 12 OT/SO losses this year, he makes that 1 more save in half those games the Playoffs are clinched last week. an .892 save % is not good enough for a starting goalie in the NHL. he is tied for 48th in Save % every goalie ahead of him has played at least 20 games. 31 goalies ahead of him have played 30+ games. The flames probably make the playoffs by a clear margin if he has a .900 save%

I honestly do not understand how anyone can be defending Markstrom's play this year. Has there been other issues, absolutely, however, in at least 10 of the flames losses with Markstrom in net the team in front of him has played well enough to win. Which if he even holds down the fort in 5 of those they are in the playoffs.

Some of the blame should ride on Sutter for continually playing him, by the time he decided to ride Vladar his game had fallen off, but early in the season when he was hot had he been given a few more starts it is likely the Flames would be in a playoff spot as well.

Going into the shootout I thought, as I always do, it's pretty random. Markstrom has a size advantage which is useful in a shootout where it's just one on one with no pass across. But the facts are that, after two shooter, Markstrom had the Flames in aposition to win the game on the third Flames shooter. Ritchie scores (or whoever else you might argue should have been in), the Flames don't even face a third shooter.

Anbd then once again, as if to prove my point, you are looking at a single game, and then using season long performance to argue something which I never even discussed. The OP on this point said "oh look at Saros - he put his team in a position to win". Well, so did Markstrom.

You want to discuss the season, fine. Markstrom was way below his career and way below the league in save%, and he was no good at stopping grade A chances allowed by the team early in games. I've not seen anyone argue differently. So what are you fussing about?