[PGT] Flames lose 3-2, playoff hopes extinguished

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Is this not to burn his first year of ELC à la Gaudreau?

Not playing him might be enough to burn bridge and have him peace out to Florida when his contract is up lol.

I thought the same but someone said his first year is already burned because of his age.

That said, I think any kid wants to play in the NHL as soon as possible and he won't care that it's a nothing game.

Play all the kids - Wolf, Pelletier, Coronato, Duehr, Zary.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I would rather not bring up Zary or Wolf and subject them to this culture even if its for 1 game.

Just play out the last game with the cornerstones Lucic, Lewis maybe call up Rooney. Put in Stone.

[FBI]

I want to see the players smile next year..

[Major Major]

They should try winning. I heard it's fun

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah sometimes you need to take a step back and wonder if the team is actually bad or if it's just a bad season.

I still don't think this is a bad roster TBH. They lacked chemistry and execution. Some questionable coaching decisions. Poor goaltending. And in the end the percentages caught up to them.

30 one goal losses

7-17 in overtime/SOs (pretty remarkable TBH - even 12-12 and they are easily in the playoffs)

Led the league in posts/crossbars hit

32nd ranked shooting percentage (8.8%)

27th ranked save percentage (.889%)

They finished 3rd in expected goals for at 55.1% in all situations.

Looking back at the past 10 seasons and these Flames are the first team I can see that finished with a 55%+ xGF and missed the playoffs. Only one other team finished top 3 in the league and missed the playoffs (17-18 Carolina Hurricanes).

Now maybe that's not indicative of the true talent of the roster, or maybe it is, but really going back to that Oilers series this team has been cursed. The team actually worked pretty hard all season, but got absolutely no reward for it, and I think that's why that entire team is so frustrated right now.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I would rather not bring up Zary or Wolf and subject them to this culture even if its for 1 game.

Just play out the last game with the cornerstones Lucic, Lewis maybe call up Rooney. Put in Stone.

I don't mind letting Lucic and Lewis play, it is likley their last game ever, the game will mean nothing to anyone but them.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

All I really have to say about this season is

#### you Moneypuck

betting against the Flames every night was good money for someone who figured out early we weren't nearly as good as the equation/odds makers thought we were

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

I simplify my breakdown of this season as no gamebreakers and no game savers. Gotta have one or the other or preferably both and the Flames had neither this year.

Should be a very interesting off-season....in the meantime it's ABE (anybody but Edmonton)

Florida's not Edmonton. Wanna cheer on Tkachuk, Bennett, and Lomberg with me?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah sometimes you need to take a step back and wonder if the team is actually bad or if it's just a bad season.

I still don't think this is a bad roster TBH. They lacked chemistry and execution. Some questionable coaching decisions. Poor goaltending. And in the end the percentages caught up to them.

30 one goal losses

7-17 in overtime/SOs (pretty remarkable TBH - even 12-12 and they are easily in the playoffs)

Led the league in posts/crossbars hit

32nd ranked shooting percentage (8.8%)

27th ranked save percentage (.889%)

They finished 3rd in expected goals for at 55.1% in all situations.

Looking back at the past 10 seasons and these Flames are the first team I can see that finished with a 55%+ xGF and missed the playoffs. Only one other team finished top 3 in the league and missed the playoffs (17-18 Carolina Hurricanes).

Now maybe that's not indicative of the true talent of the roster, or maybe it is, but really going back to that Oilers series this team has been cursed. The team actually worked pretty hard all season, but got absolutely no reward for it, and I think that's why that entire team is so frustrated right now.

This article here I saw this morning sums it up. The shooting % could have moved the needle but it was well earned playing the Sutter system a lot of volume from the outside but not dangerous.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-shot-quality/

They are quoting a NHL funded advanced stats company.

[MillerTime GFG]

Won't let me quote you Pepsi.

What did you gain from it?

I had fun this season and with one game left I’m hoping to see some young guys and have one last thing to cheer for before the long wait until September begins.

You and other “negative” posters talk about how you want to win to cheer for a contender or a team that has a shot at the cup. That’s not unique, who doesn’t? But at the end of the day, I enjoyed myself, you didn’t, and we both ended up in the same spot cheering for the same team. So what did you gain?

I think there needs to be more "noise" or disdain from the fan base. We keep filling those seats and buying the merch, then nothing changes. It's exactly the reason we signed these big names in the off-season...to keep us competitive. And sure enough, we were competitive to the end, and the dome was full.

Before the madhouse, the fans there were just mad. Ownership took notice and rebuilt. That doesn't happen here b/c we're always "just competitive". I'm sick of it, and I don't know how everyone isn't feeling the same.

Nothing changes if nothing changes.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

My apologies for pointing out the fact that I did indeed predict this outcome after that posted called me out for not actually predicting that outcome. I guess that's patting myself on the back?

Much like you don't understand the need to rehash decades of (crappy) results, I don't understand the perpetual positive posters, such as yourself. I don't understand how you guys can't look at the bigger picture as to what the problems may be with the franchise.

Don't think for a second these positive posters wouldn't have been all over the GDTs "patting themselves on the back" had we made the postseason. They're far worse than the negative posters in my opinion.

When I couldn't take any more of the Gulutzan years I quit watching because it seemed like a silly thing to do something I didn't enjoy. I certainly didn't log onto a fan message board and lambaste fans for having the gall to cheer for the team still. The time away did me good and now I enjoy games for what they are. Maybe it would do the same for some others.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

My apologies for pointing out the fact that I did indeed predict this outcome after that posted called me out for not actually predicting that outcome. I guess that's patting myself on the back?

Much like you don't understand the need to rehash decades of (crappy) results, I don't understand the perpetual positive posters, such as yourself. I don't understand how you guys can't look at the bigger picture as to what the problems may be with the franchise.

Don't think for a second these positive posters wouldn't have been all over the GDTs "patting themselves on the back" had we made the postseason. They're far worse than the negative posters in my opinion.

Didn't he say you "would" be wrong? Not you were wrong?

No need to apologize, I never called for one. Just said it was cringy to me, still is.

So now we can't look at the big picture because we don't see it like you? There's another step. So patting yourself on the back and now only you have correct vision!

Said all along back patting is cringy to me in all forms. I'd find the victory lap for winning crowd cringy too ... but less annoying because this is sports/entertainment. I don't mind those getting slapped for being negative anywhere near as off putting because why are you even here if you don't see any future in the franchise? I personally like hope. It's fun!

[FanIn80]

Down the stretch, while "fighting" for a playoff spot...

Lost to Arizona in OT, 1 point
Lost to Chicago in regulation time, 0 points
Lost to Vancouver in SO, 1 point
Lost to Nashville (without their top 3 players) in SO, 1 point

Literally 8 points handed to us on a silver platter, and we said "no thanks, I'll just take 3."

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah sometimes you need to take a step back and wonder if the team is actually bad or if it's just a bad season.

I still don't think this is a bad roster TBH. They lacked chemistry and execution. Some questionable coaching decisions. Poor goaltending. And in the end the percentages caught up to them.

30 one goal losses

7-17 in overtime/SOs (pretty remarkable TBH - even 12-12 and they are easily in the playoffs)

Led the league in posts/crossbars hit

32nd ranked shooting percentage (8.8%)

27th ranked save percentage (.889%)

They finished 3rd in expected goals for at 55.1% in all situations.

Looking back at the past 10 seasons and these Flames are the first team I can see that finished with a 55%+ xGF and missed the playoffs. Only one other team finished top 3 in the league and missed the playoffs (17-18 Carolina Hurricanes).

Now maybe that's not indicative of the true talent of the roster, or maybe it is, but really going back to that Oilers series this team has been cursed. The team actually worked pretty hard all season, but got absolutely no reward for it, and I think that's why that entire team is so frustrated right now.

Wasn't the team 32nd in royal road attempts this season?

The fact that they are told to play such hard nosed north-south hockey tells me that coaching is having an impact on these numbers and it's kind of hiding how poor of a team they really are.

Cross ice passes just weren't part of the team's strategy this year.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What did you gain from it?

I had fun this season and with one game left I’m hoping to see some young guys and have one last thing to cheer for before the long wait until September begins.

You and other “negative” posters talk about how you want to win to cheer for a contender or a team that has a shot at the cup. That’s not unique, who doesn’t? But at the end of the day, I enjoyed myself, you didn’t, and we both ended up in the same spot cheering for the same team. So what did you gain?

Well they get to say I told you so. Kind of seems like the whole point.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by FBI

I want to see the players smile next year..

This has been a big sticking point for me this year. They’ve looked miserable ever since their first loss.

Can’t remember what coach it was that was on Flames Talk last week but he said the mantra this year was “everyday we act like we lost the day before”. I get this is supposed to be a motivation tactic to always be pushing and never let the ego get over inflated, but confidence is everything in pro sports and you need some level of ego to go along with that.

From an outside view it was clear the locker room was toxic and you’ll never win that way. The no fun Flames proved that this year.

[saillias]

i think i must have been excluded from the mass email where literally everyone who watches or works in hockey decided in unison in 2022 that "royal road" was just a thing we would all be saying now. isnt that a mario kart course?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by saillias

betting against the Flames every night was good money for someone who figured out early we weren't nearly as good as the equation/odds makers thought we were

If there's anything I learned after the 2019 and 2022 playoffs, it's always bet against the Flames when they're favored

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Won't let me quote you Pepsi.

I think there needs to be more "noise" or disdain from the fan base. We keep filling those seats and buying the merch, then nothing changes. It's exactly the reason we signed these big names in the off-season...to keep us competitive. And sure enough, we were competitive to the end, and the dome was full.

Before the madhouse, the fans there were just mad. Ownership took notice and rebuilt. That doesn't happen here b/c we're always "just competitive". I'm sick of it, and I don't know how everyone isn't feeling the same.

Nothing changes if nothing changes.

So… stop watching and following the team?

Direct your noise and disdain to the team, not to people just trying to enjoy something that is pure, meaningless entertainment?

Why aren’t people sick of it? I don’t know, that’s sports. There’s always next season. The Flames aren’t planning their season based on how many games I watch, and I like hockey, so I’m just going to keep watching and enjoying myself. Because maybe there comes a time when we don’t have an NHL team, and that seems worse than having a middling NHL team, so I don’t see the point in wasting my time complaining about something I can’t change when I could just spend that time enjoying myself.

Do you, but as a fan, lashing out at people just trying to have fun because you can’t seems weird:

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Don't think for a second these positive posters wouldn't have been all over the GDTs "patting themselves on the back" had we made the postseason. They're far worse than the negative posters in my opinion.

Presumably when a “positive” poster is patting themselves on the back, it’s because the Flames are succeeding, and everyone is happy because we are all fans of the team and it’s hard to imagine it bothering literally anyone.

When a “negative” poster is patting themselves on the back, it’s because the Flames are failing, which seems bizarre for a fan of the team to do, and somewhat ill-advised to do when everyone is already disappointed.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Well they get to say I told you so. Kind of seems like the whole point.

I guess. I’m wrong about hockey predictions so often that I don’t think I’ve ever had the pleasure lol. Must be quite the thrill to stop yourself from enjoying the sport just to experience it.