Brad Treliving needs to go

[Ashasx]

I don't understand the desire to re-sign Lindholm. He showed us this year that he isn't a player that pushes the needle for this group and will almost be 30 when that next contract kicks in.

Do you really want to make the same mistake you just did with Kadri and Huberdeau and sign a player like this for 8 years, likely over $8MM AAV?

Trade him this off-season, retain salary (I know this scares the Murray Edwards), and get a haul for him while you can. Don't turn another asset into an immovable object.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Has the ownership group changed dramatically since the 80's?

Yes. In one particular way. The guy in charge of the ownership group changed in the late 90s.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Same coach, mostly the same defense, mostly the same forwards and the goalie goes from 0.920 save percentage to 0.890 save percentage.

Hard to plan for a drop off like that, and I don't think anybody here felt Vladar was a weak back up either.

Flames then go on to lead the league in OT/SO losses, one goal losses and set an all time NHL record for one goal losses while outshooting the opponent by 10 or more shots.

Eliminated from making the playoffs on game 81.

Anyone blaming Treliving has me befuddled.

Two key forwards in and out though. And the ones in didn’t replace the magic the ones out had last season (but people forget they were pretty meh in previous seasons as well).

Goaltending did them in, and the types of breakdowns in front of the goalies didn’t help. However, I think both goalies are capable of comebacks and there’s a really good prospect waiting in the wings.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

If this were a desirable market the team Treliving put together would include 2 Hart finalists and a Norris winner, all in their 20s. Plus a lot of supporting cast.There is no question the organization as a whole is better now then when he took over.

It didn't translate in results so it might be time for the 'mutual decision'. He'll get another gig, easily. Maybe someone else can get results here. Maybe it can't be done until the Flames get new facilities and embrace the wonders of NHL tanking.

[Buff]

I don't think Treliving needs to be gone. I do wonder if it is time though. His contract is expiring and it was previously noted that if TO loses in the 1st again that Dubas is out and Treliving would be interested in that job. Treliving hasn't signed a contract with the Flames because he's keeping his options open. I get the feeling that he isn't happy with a few things in Calgary.

Who would replace him? I don't know but I'm very confident that Darryl Sutter will never be a GM again. I see a lot of comments that people are worried about Sutter getting the job but that's just fans being scared because it happened in the past. I'm certain I recall a few years ago Sutter mentioned that he wouldn't want to be a GM again that coaching is his thing.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Is it better to get something, or to watch him leave in free agency?

The time to deal with Lindholm is this summer. Delaying would just be this team not learning from past failures.

It's better to trade him at the deadline. He can't possibly put up worse numbers next year. If he isn't signing you deal him at the trade deadline regardless of playoff position when his value is at its peak.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't understand the desire to re-sign Lindholm. He showed us this year that he isn't a player that pushes the needle for this group and will almost be 30 when that next contract kicks in.

Do you really want to make the same mistake you just did with Kadri and Huberdeau and sign a player like this for 8 years, likely over $8MM AAV?

Trade him this off-season, retain salary (I know this scares the Murray Edwards), and get a haul for him while you can. Don't turn another asset into an immovable object.

Yup - Lindholm is closer to Backlund than Bergeron. I’ve seen nothing from him that indicates his gaudier offensive numbers were anything other than products of Gaudreau/Tkachuk/Monahan when he still had it.

He doesn’t work with Huberdeau, and the coach didn’t feel he warranted inclusion in back to back do or die shootouts to save the season.

Sell, sell, sell.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't understand the desire to re-sign Lindholm. He showed us this year that he isn't a player that pushes the needle for this group and will almost be 30 when that next contract kicks in.

Do you really want to make the same mistake you just did with Kadri and Huberdeau and sign a player like this for 8 years, likely over $8MM AAV?

Trade him this off-season, retain salary (I know this scares the Murray Edwards), and get a haul for him while you can. Don't turn another asset into an immovable object.

Lindholm is the most obvious trade we have.

The path now should be rebuild with the boat anchor contracts keeping the team at the salary cap floor.
Kadri, Huberdeau, a bunch of kids up front. It will be terrible but there's no other path at this point.
When you go all in on those guys, you can only pivot around them.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

So let's see, this is somehow Tre's fault even though...

- Inadequate 3 on 3 and shootout performance. 7-17 in extra time. Most likely a coaching issue. Even out the wins & losses at 12-12, that's +5 points.

- Too many regulation losses to bottom feeders. Swap even 2 of them from losses to wins and that's +4 points.

- Marky having a very down year. If he provides even a bit better goaltending we're looking at +4 points.

- Huby closer to his career averages in production, +4 points at least.

- Kylington missing all year. +3 or 4 points if he doesn't disappear suddenly before the season.

- Kadri inconsistent, more points there if he's more consistent.

Add at least 20 points to the Flames total, points they should have had, and we're having a VERY different conversation. A bunch of things outside of Tre's control completely sank the team and you're ready to run him out of town? smh

These are all good points, but as you go down the list you have to reduce the point impact of each event. Like if Markstrom is average we probably don't play 24 OT games.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's better to trade him at the deadline. He can't possibly put up worse numbers next year. If he isn't signing you deal him at the trade deadline regardless of playoff position when his value is at its peak.

He put up worse numbers in 19/20 so I am very much going to assume it is possible to put up worse numbers than he did this season.

The off-season is when teams have the most cap flexibility, more teams are potentially looking to make them playoffs.

We often see people say every year that the time to trade players is during the off-season.

Well, we're in the off-season.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's better to trade him at the deadline. He can't possibly put up worse numbers next year. If he isn't signing you deal him at the trade deadline regardless of playoff position when his value is at its peak.

1. No, it isn’t.

2. Yes, it’s quite possible he puts up worse numbers next year.

3. If you’re going to trade him regardless of playoff position, do it as soon as he tells you he’s not resigning. Teams will give you more for a full season of an all-situations #2C at <$5M that they have time to re-sign.

[Burning Beard]

I think it's time for a new voice in the GM chair.

For everyone clamouring for a rebuild, I'm not sure how you do that if Wolf is indeed legit. Any ideas?

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't understand the desire to re-sign Lindholm. He showed us this year that he isn't a player that pushes the needle for this group and will almost be 30 when that next contract kicks in.

Do you really want to make the same mistake you just did with Kadri and Huberdeau and sign a player like this for 8 years, likely over $8MM AAV?

Trade him this off-season, retain salary (I know this scares the Murray Edwards), and get a haul for him while you can. Don't turn another asset into an immovable object.

Lindy is a 1C center at best. He’s best suited as a 2A which he would be on a contending team. You need to sit down with the guy and ask him in the summer if he wants to sign long term. If not, you pretty have to move him

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Lindy is a 1C center at best. He’s best suited as a 2A which he would be on a contending team. You need to sit down with the guy and ask him in the summer if he wants to sign long term. If not, you pretty have to move him

I don't even think that matters. It's time to do what's best for the organization and move him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I really hope Brad doesn't leave and if it a rift that is driving away Treliving and the ownership is siding with Sutter I think I am done.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't even think that matters. It's time to do what's best for the organization and move him.

I agree. This team's core is too old, and not good enough to keep adding aging players that don't move the needle. Team needs to be future oriented, and maximize the value out of Lindholm now.

[Psytic]

I dont think it matters who the GM is if they have Edwards pointing a gun at their head saying playoffs or bust. Add a coach thats hard stuck on the Lucic's, Lewis's and Ritchie's of the world. Doesnt really matter who is in the chair.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Yup - Lindholm is closer to Backlund than Bergeron. I’ve seen nothing from him that indicates his gaudier offensive numbers were anything other than products of Gaudreau/Tkachuk/Monahan when he still had it.

He doesn’t work with Huberdeau, and the coach didn’t feel he warranted inclusion in back to back do or die shootouts to save the season.

Sell, sell, sell.

Who knows if he works with Huberdeau?

Only 15 percent of Huberdeau’s ES ice time was with him, mainly in Huby’s first few games of the year, as he was adjusting to a lot (and the team was winning)

To me, that is a key failing of the coaching staff, not revisiting that once Huberdeau had a good chunk of games under his belt

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Same coach, mostly the same defense, mostly the same forwards and the goalie goes from 0.920 save percentage to 0.890 save percentage.

Hard to plan for a drop off like that, and I don't think anybody here felt Vladar was a weak back up either.

Flames then go on to lead the league in OT/SO losses, one goal losses and set an all time NHL record for one goal losses while outshooting the opponent by 10 or more shots.

Eliminated from making the playoffs on game 81.

Anyone blaming Treliving has me befuddled.

You can look at most of that stuff from a different angle. All those one goal OT/SO games really just translate to a team that doesn't have enough skill on it to cross the line, and no game breakers.
Mostly same forwards! Replacing the top line in the league with disparate parts that don't work with each other and in Kadri's case, doesn't work at all?? Re-signing Mang at his over-rated highest price the list goes on.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Yup - Lindholm is closer to Backlund than Bergeron. I’ve seen nothing from him that indicates his gaudier offensive numbers were anything other than products of Gaudreau/Tkachuk/Monahan when he still had it.

He doesn’t work with Huberdeau, and the coach didn’t feel he warranted inclusion in back to back do or die shootouts to save the season.

Sell, sell, sell.

I adore Bergeron and think he might be the best player drafted from the mid 2000s after Crosby/Ovi, but you can't ignore that he has had incredible linemates (and stability of linemates)

Not sure appeal to Sutter's authority is a strong argument at the moment, either.