Brad Treliving needs to go

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by zamler

If Sutter becomes GM we might finally go full tank unintentionally.

I would expect to finish no worse than 18th for his entire tenure, if he were to become the GM again.
Mushy middle forever.

[stemit14]

Offseason predictions:

-Treliving is either fired or named president of hockey operations (not sure what is better).
-Sutter is fired.
-Conroy promoted to GM.
-Mitch Love promoted to head coach of the flames.
-at least one of toffoli/Lindholm/Hanifin traded at the draft for 1st round pick+.
-Vladar traded for a 4th or 5th round pick at the draft.
-Lucic, Ritchie and Lewis not re-signed.
-physical player signed to bring some physical element to the team after losing that with Lucic, Ritchie and Lewis leaving. Not sure who they’ll get. Only UFA I can think of that fits the mold is Garnet Hathaway.
-Backlund signs 3 or 4 year extension. Is named captain before the start of the season.
-at least 2 of Pelletier/Zary/Coronato make the main roster next year.
-Wolf gets at least 30 starts next year as the backup.
-flames sign someone to league min contract or to a PTO to possibly fill in the 4th line center position. Again, not sure who. Someone good at face-offs and forechecking. Derek Grant-type player.
-not sure what is done with guys like Dube, Mangiapane, Coleman and Zadorov. All guys that have struggled with consistency. They might keep them all because their value might not be anything of consequence.
-Kyllington hopefully returns ready for camp next year.

Most of it feels like rolling lots of the same roster back. But I think that is what’s most likely.


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[dissentowner]

I think trading Lindholm is a mistake unless he demands a trade. You would be selling really low on him after this past season.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think trading Lindholm is a mistake unless he demands a trade. You would be selling really low on him after this past season.

Agreed. I just don’t see him wanting to sign. He went from being a big part of the best line in hockey to barely smiling when scoring a goal. Get the feeling he’ll want out.

The flames may not trade him in the offseason though if the value is not there. Could wait till the TDL. Although that always becomes a question mark when the flames end up in a solid playoff position next year. Then no UFAs get traded away.


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[FlamesAddiction]

The whole notion of selling high versus selling low is irrelevant. You sell when you need to regardless.

[Number 39]

I don’t have strong feelings about Treliving one way or the other. The issue I have sensed over the last several years is that it feels like the Flames management just reacts to situations rather than being proactive. It just hasn't felt like a strong plan exists and then they just lurch from crisis after crisis rather than getting out in front of things.

On a slightly different subject I’m fine with the amateur scouting but I do think the pro scouting dept needs to be examined.

[madmike]

Overall I don’t think Treliving has done a great job. His FA signings have been poor. Drafting has been solid.

But with the Flames it’s always hard to tell how much of the issue is the GM and how much is ownership. The franchise hasn’t had a great GM since Cliff Fletcher and that’s going back to the 80s.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by madmike

Overall I don’t think Treliving has done a great job. His FA signings have been poor. Drafting has been solid.

But with the Flames it’s always hard to tell how much of the issue is the GM and how much is ownership. The franchise hasn’t had a great GM since Cliff Fletcher and that’s going back to the 80s.

Has the ownership group changed dramatically since the 80's?

[Roof-Daddy]

Same coach, mostly the same defense, mostly the same forwards and the goalie goes from 0.920 save percentage to 0.890 save percentage.

Hard to plan for a drop off like that, and I don't think anybody here felt Vladar was a weak back up either.

Flames then go on to lead the league in OT/SO losses, one goal losses and set an all time NHL record for one goal losses while outshooting the opponent by 10 or more shots.

Eliminated from making the playoffs on game 81.

Anyone blaming Treliving has me befuddled.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by madmike

Overall I don’t think Treliving has done a great job. His FA signings have been poor. Drafting has been solid.

But with the Flames it’s always hard to tell how much of the issue is the GM and how much is ownership. The franchise hasn’t had a great GM since Cliff Fletcher and that’s going back to the 80s.

Ultimately the blame is on ownership since they continue to bring in inadequate GMs to run the team. And perhaps refusing to commit to a proper rebuild, rather than rush the process.

Now granted, mid-90s to early-2000s were tough due to the economics of the league and the market. That's why the cap was bought in.

Results wise, Sutter and Treliving have pretty equal success in regards of how often, and how far the team went in the playoffs.

Sutter's team made it to the finals once, but then never made it past the first round. But did make the playoffs 5 seasons in a row.

Treliving's team has made the playoffs 5 times, but alternated each season in making the playoffs and missing them; except the 2020 season that was interrupted by covid, and they did the play-in. His teams made it to the second round twice.

I don't see what's so special about Treliving's result that he'll be such a desirable grab out on the market as some expect him to be. His result is fairly mediocre compared to other teams/GMs during his tenure. Working with a full cap budget, there's nothing that screams "he's good at building teams." Otherwise there would be more consecutive playoff appearances, that would correlate with more second round appearances, and maybe a conference final/finals appearance too.

What's so impressive about his resume?

[Flamesfan05]

A decade of mediocre results
Time for new face

The most impressive thing about him is he works hard

But it’s work smarter not harder

[VilleN]

With Huberdeau and Kadri locked up forever, I am not optimistic about the next several years... Do we just blow everything up around them? I think that is the best option at this point. Accumulate picks and prospects, bring Wolf, Pelletier, Coronato, Duehr, Phillips, possibly Zary up for full time NHL duty. Bring in Mitch Love. I don't hate Treliving, I think he might be fired - if he is they need to replace him with a proven GM. I need to wash the taste of this season out of my mouth... just awful from top to bottom.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Same coach, mostly the same defense, mostly the same forwards and the goalie goes from 0.920 save percentage to 0.890 save percentage.

Hard to plan for a drop off like that, and I don't think anybody here felt Vladar was a weak back up either.

Flames then go on to lead the league in OT/SO losses, one goal losses and set an all time NHL record for one goal losses while outshooting the opponent by 10 or more shots.

Eliminated from making the playoffs on game 81.

Anyone blaming Treliving has me befuddled.

Of course the ones who changed were high impact, but technically correct and overall you're right in your message.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by SebC

Of course the ones who changed were high impact, but technically correct and overall you're right in your message.

To be fair, that top line last season carried the team significantly. Their absence wasn't replaced, and showed how inadequate the roster is offensively.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think trading Lindholm is a mistake unless he demands a trade. You would be selling really low on him after this past season.

Is it better to get something, or to watch him leave in free agency?

The time to deal with Lindholm is this summer. Delaying would just be this team not learning from past failures.

[dammage79]

Hahaha. The time to do anything doesn't register with the Flames, the time to deal with players by a certain time has never, never gone the way of fan expectations.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Hahaha. The time to do anything doesn't register with the Flames, the time to deal with players by a certain time has never, never gone the way of fan expectations.

Even if you are a glass half full Flames fan you have to admit this organization may be the worst in the league when it comes to handling assets on expiring contracts. It's so bad that I look back on the Glencross deadline trade to the Capitals as one of the best moves the organization has ever made on an expiring deal.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Even if you are a glass half full Flames fan you have to admit this organization may be the worst in the league when it comes to handling assets on expiring contracts. It's so bad that I look back on the Glencross deadline trade to the Capitals as one of the best moves the organization has ever made on an expiring deal.

Look back at 2010 when the team started to miss the playoffs after the lockout.

10-12 is 3 years on the bubble. 2010 on the bubble they bought Staios for a 3rd. 2011 they did basically nothing (Freddie Modin, Brett Carson waiver claim) 2012 I don’t remember anything happening.

2013-16 mild selling. Iginla and Bouwmeester horribad deals in 13, Stempniak and the Cammalleri no trade are the highlights. In 15 they sold Glencross, and Baerstchi. 16 they sold Russell and Hudler.

17 light buys with Stone and Lazar

18 do nothing

19 failed attempts to get Stone and Zucker result in nothing

20-21 do nothing. In 21 it was clear Gio was going to Seattle they decide to do nothing

22 finally a successful buyer with Toffoli and Jarnkrok they got 2 guys they targeted

23 nothing other than the Ritchie bros swap.

The team gets their work done in the offseason but outside of the big deal last year it feels like they just let guys like Gaudreau, Brodie, Hamonic, Gio, and others walk for nothing and then go sign Markstrom, Tanev, Coleman, Kadri

[traptor]

If the organization doesn't ever want to rebuild then they have to start selling older assets at the right time to reset and get younger.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Is it better to get something, or to watch him leave in free agency?

The time to deal with Lindholm is this summer. Delaying would just be this team not learning from past failures.

I also think that most GMs would look at the Flames season and see the whole team not clicking. Not like Lindholm had an off year while the team was ripping.

I am hoping for some decent re-tool trades but expecting Sutter to be GM or coach and watching the Flames walk UFAs to free agency next year lol