Flames' Pride Night slotted for March 28 vs. LA

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Pretty sure if I was a member of the LBGTQ community I wouldn’t give a crap if Reimer wore a warm up jersey or not. I’d pride myself on being a little mentally tougher than that. Disappointed maybe. But who really cares.

If he was out beating up people or truly discriminating against them somehow I’d say that would obviously be another story. There are laws to prevent or handle those situations.

North Americans are offended by everything these days. Fueled by the media and especially social media. We don’t have to all agree on everything. There are plenty of things that people do that I don’t understand or agree with. But if they aren’t illegal and they hurting anyone why would I care or waste my time focusing on it.

"I'm not LGBTQ, but I totally know all about the lived experiences of LGBTQ people, and totally know how I'd feel about this if I were one of them."

Criticizing Reimer for his decision is neither "coercing him" nor is it an "illiberal idea". If he was forced to sit the game out or lost his paycheque for that game, then maybe you'd have an argument. But in the current situation you don't. The irony in all this is that you're complaining about other people being offended, yet you come across as very offended by the criticism that Reimer has received...

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Either way. I wouldn’t care.

So your point is we should let people believe what they believe and leave them alone...but you keep coming here telling LGBTQ+ supporters to stop pushing their belief in equality.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Not really.

You're saying this bull#### position that "nobody who is truly liberal would act this way" as a way of denigrating the person and the position. Unfortunately, just because you say it doesn't make it true, but you keep doing it over and over despite how many people push back on it and explain why it is consistent with being liberal.

Basically, you need a new or better argument instead of rehashing the same old tired line.

Yamer said it best, he's just doing a budget Ben Shapiro routine. Using impressive sounding words that he doesn't understand, utilizing deflection and misinformation to try and sound like he's the only one smart enough to understand the nuance of what's being talked about.

The problem is most people here see right through that act. Sadly we also have hearts so struggle with letting that BS just sit there unchallenged, when ignoring it would be the best move

Good thing Cecil got a timeout though. I mean, yeah, blaming it on Bingo randomly was weird and uncalled for, but was hardly the worst thing said in this thread

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Fairly obvious BoLevi just discovered the word illiberal.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Either way. I wouldn’t care.

Are there other marginalized groups that you are also going to pretend what it would be like in their shoes and that you also somehow feel to offer up a similarly ignorant opinion? Or are you isolating that buffoonery to just lgbtq?

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by blender

It seems like you are operating under a presumption that liberalism is in itself a good thing. I would argue against that position and that your argument is inherently flawed.

I think it is obvious that a large proportion of the participants in this thread do not believe being liberal is a good thing.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Your "viewpoint" would literally say it's hypocrisy to be you intolerant of the KKK because they are intolerant of people of colour.

Godwin's law.

/thread

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

So your point is we should let people believe what they believe and leave them alone...but you keep coming here telling LGBTQ+ supporters to stop pushing their belief in equality.

Guess what I’m saying is if your biggest problem is that someone didn’t wear a practice jersey. You’re pretty lucky.

To the first part of your comment yes.

I didn’t say the second part of your comment, people can do whatever they want. I’d probably do the same thing.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Are there other marginalized groups that you are also going to pretend what it would be like in their shoes and that you also somehow feel to offer up a similarly ignorant opinion? Or are you isolating that buffoonery to just lgbtq?

I said if someone didn’t wear a practice jersey I’d be mentally strong enough not to lose my mind over it. I’d take it for what it was and move on.

[blender]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I think it is obvious that a large proportion of the participants in this thread do not believe being liberal is a good thing.

I'm not sure that is obvious at all, but it isn't relevant to my point as I was only talking about you.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Guess what I’m saying is if your biggest problem is that someone didn’t wear a practice jersey. You’re pretty lucky.

It’s not. You understand that just because this is the only topic you care to weigh in on that doesn’t make it the biggest topic for literally even one single member of the LGBTQ community, right?

Originally Posted by Goriders

I said if someone didn’t wear a practice jersey I’d be mentally strong enough not to lose my mind over it. I’d take it for what it was and move on.

Who here is losing their mind over it? This isn’t even the thread dedicated to it and you’re one of the people still bringing it up and talking about it.

Between you pretending that LGBTQ people are losing their minds over someone not wearing a jersey and BoLevi pretending that LGBTQ people are some illiberal fascists demanding Reimer be punished, it’s really quite something.

I think it says a lot that guys like the both of you have no problem disagreeing repeatedly with what people say or do, but as soon as an LGBTQ person does it or as soon as an LGBTQ ally does it, they’re hysterical fascists.

At least BL’s excuse is that he’s just a mindless troll. What’s yours?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s not. You understand that just because this is the only topic you care to weigh in on that doesn’t make it the biggest topic for literally even one single member of the LGBTQ community, right?



Who here is losing their mind over it? This isn’t even the thread dedicated to it and you’re one of the people still bringing it up and talking about it.

Between you pretending that LGBTQ people are losing their minds over someone not wearing a jersey and BoLevi pretending that LGBTQ people are some illiberal fascists demanding Reimer be punished, it’s really quite something.

I think it says a lot that guys like the both of you have no problem disagreeing repeatedly with what people say or do, but as soon as an LGBTQ person does it or as soon as an LGBTQ ally does it, they’re hysterical fascists.

At least BL’s excuse is that he’s just a mindless troll. What’s yours?

You guys have been going at each other for over two weeks. Calling each other names and berating each other. I’d say that qualifies as losing your mind over it.

[Alpha_Q]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Guess what I’m saying is if your biggest problem is that someone didn’t wear a practice jersey. You’re pretty lucky.

If you think this is just about wearing a jersey, I'm starting to believe that you're just innocently naive.

It's not just a jersey to me. It's about my son phoning me to say he was spit on because he had the audacity to hold his boyfriend's hand when walking down the street. It's about taking him to see his favorite team play and hearing people calling a member of the other team a ####ing fag. It's about the likes of Artur Pawlowski saying that the 2013 floods were God's punishment for homosexuality. We have to consider the ramifications of our words and our deeds, and Reimer's actions gave support to people like the above. Through his actions he encouraged and gave strength to voices of hatred. Of course he's entitled to his opinion, but everyone is entitled to call him on it. Him and his supporters.

One thing I have noticed; I lurked this website probably 2002ish before I signed up. There use to be a lot of passively homophobic comments, but that has almost completely gone away. I see many, many people now sticking up for LGBTQ+ rights, and many of them don't have an emotional stake in it, they just want to be good citizens who support the entire community. It makes me proud to be a member of this forum.

As I said above, if you think this issue isn't deeper than a mere jersey, I suggest you think a little harder about it. You might try taking Reimer's words and applying them to the support of women in hockey, or Jewish people in hockey, and see how it sounds.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Alpha_Q

If you think this is just about wearing a jersey, I'm starting to believe that you're just innocently naive.

It's not just a jersey to me. It's about my son phoning me to say he was spit on because he had the audacity to hold his boyfriend's hand when walking down the street. It's about taking him to see his favorite team play and hearing people calling a member of the other team a ####ing fag. It's about the likes of Artur Pawlowski saying that the 2013 floods were God's punishment for homosexuality. We have to consider the ramifications of our words and our deeds, and Reimer's actions gave support to people like the above. Through his actions he encouraged and gave strength to voices of hatred. Of course he's entitled to his opinion, but everyone is entitled to call him on it. Him and his supporters.

One thing I have noticed; I lurked this website probably 2002ish before I signed up. There use to be a lot of passively homophobic comments, but that has almost completely gone away. I see many, many people now sticking up for LGBTQ+ rights, and many of them don't have an emotional stake in it, they just want to be good citizens who support the entire community. It makes me proud to be a member of this forum.

As I said above, if you think this issue isn't deeper than a mere jersey, I suggest you think a little harder about it. You might try taking Reimer's words and applying them to the support of women in hockey, or Jewish people in hockey, and see how it sounds.

Sorry about what happened to your son. But you’re missing my point.

The initiative isn’t going to gain everyone’s support for various reasons. In this case religious beliefs. Which Reimer is entitled to.

You have to realize that everyone will not be on board and accept it.

[KelVarnsen]

You are missing the point of pride nights.

They are to show that no matter if you are straight, gay, bisexual, asexual etc that hockey is for you. And you will be welcomed and supported.

Reimer, Stalls etc showed the opposite.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Alpha_Q

If you think this is just about wearing a jersey, I'm starting to believe that you're just innocently naive.

It's not just a jersey to me. It's about my son phoning me to say he was spit on because he had the audacity to hold his boyfriend's hand when walking down the street. It's about taking him to see his favorite team play and hearing people calling a member of the other team a ####ing fag. It's about the likes of Artur Pawlowski saying that the 2013 floods were God's punishment for homosexuality. We have to consider the ramifications of our words and our deeds, and Reimer's actions gave support to people like the above. Through his actions he encouraged and gave strength to voices of hatred. Of course he's entitled to his opinion, but everyone is entitled to call him on it. Him and his supporters.

One thing I have noticed; I lurked this website probably 2002ish before I signed up. There use to be a lot of passively homophobic comments, but that has almost completely gone away. I see many, many people now sticking up for LGBTQ+ rights, and many of them don't have an emotional stake in it, they just want to be good citizens who support the entire community. It makes me proud to be a member of this forum.

As I said above, if you think this issue isn't deeper than a mere jersey, I suggest you think a little harder about it. You might try taking Reimer's words and applying them to the support of women in hockey, or Jewish people in hockey, and see how it sounds.

A common refrain in this thread is "it's just a jersey... Just put the thing on."

Reimer has provided no support to the people you describe above. In fact he has stated exactly the opposite. Lumping Reimer in with the people you describe in your post is a straw man argument.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

You are missing the point of pride nights.

They are to show that no matter if you are straight, gay, bisexual, asexual etc that hockey is for you. And you will be welcomed and supported.

Reimer, Stalls etc showed the opposite.

This is simply wrong. Reimer was very clear in his statements.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

This is simply wrong. Reimer was very clear in his statements.

Yeah, that he’s an idiot and can’t understand a simple explanation from the group leading the jersey initiative. I promise you that Reimer is okay with me thinking he’s a moron.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

This is simply wrong. Reimer was very clear in his statements.

Really?

SJHN: The most targeted community is the LGBTQ+ community, recently, has been the trans community. Do you have a thought about them?

JR: I think I would just refer back to my statement on that one. My beliefs in Christ, what I think the Bible says on that stuff.

But people, regardless of their orientation or their activity or whatnot, they have value and worth, I would do my best to love them, the best way I know how. I don’t think there’s a limit per se.

And it might be, I don’t know if it’s hard for people to understand or whatnot. But what I said, especially the last statement, everyone has value and worth. I’ll tell you, I wish people knew that wasn’t just a line I said.

I have a heart for people. It doesn’t matter what you’ve done in the past, what you do, and whatnot. I don’t want to keep [referring to my statement] over and over again, right?

But obviously, I have my beliefs and things that I can’t personally endorse. But man, you love the person, you try and do whatever you can to get to know them or whatnot. That’s what I have to say, I guess.

What does that even mean? He doesn't think there's a limit to love people, but he doesn't endorse them?

Clear as mud.

https://sanjosehockeynow.com/san-jos...y-staal-trans/

[Alpha_Q]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

This is simply wrong. Reimer was very clear in his statements.

He was also very clear in his actions. We've all smelt this fart before. Dress it up however you want, he's homophobic. Probably not hate, but fear, or fragile masculinity maybe.
Whatever his motivation, he took a very small bit from a very large body of work to support his statement, and only a small few of probably like-minded folk are falling for it.