2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I hate the idea of losing Hanifin. Is he a trade chip because he won't sign again here or because we need to rebuild?

I think we regret that trade. Hanifin keeps getting better. He has been our best player the past couple games IMO. He is 26 so his next contract will cover his peak years. But his stats don't equate to an absurdly pricey deal. He is probably in the Mackenzie Weegar area of contract value (~$7m?).

Hanifin and Lindholm are the two key pieces that get traded this summer as the team rebuilds, if the team rebuilds.

Losing those two players would significantly hurt this team and tank them in the standings for 2023/2024 - and they would both also return significant packages.

I'm not sure either guy will choose to re-sign here either. Steinberg has made comment a few times this season that the organization does not see/have the feeling that Lindholm re-signing is a sure thing. If both players aren't signing an extension this July 1, then they should both be traded. You can't risk either of those guys walking to free agency in 2024.

[chedder]

Really, why would Lindholm re-sign here? He lost the two teammates that turned him into a point per game scorer. He's always been a great 200 foot player. He'll have his pick of location, situation and the offers are going to be huge.

This is saying nothing of getting away from Sutter if he's one of the players that isn't happy.

Whoever the gm is going to be will have to do a masterful sell job and likely overpay to keep him here.

The main positive of him telling the team he'll test free agency is we should get a pretty good return for him at the deadline.

Losing him will leave a huge hole in the lineup though.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by chedder

Really, why would Lindholm re-sign here? He lost the two teammates that turned him into a point per game scorer. He's always been a great 200 foot player. He'll have his pick of location, situation and the offers are going to be huge.

This is saying nothing of getting away from Sutter if he's one of the players that isn't happy.

Whoever the gm is going to be will have to do a masterful sell job and likely overpay to keep him here.

The main positive of him telling the team he'll test free agency is we should get a pretty good return for him at the deadline.

Losing him will leave a huge hole in the lineup though.

He'll need to go before the deadline. If the Flames are in a playoff spot the GM, whoever that is, won't be allowed to move him.

And they really can't risk that to be honest.

if Lindholm doesn't want to be here long term, he needs to be moved this off season. Most likely/preferably at the draft.

[Vinny01]

The Flames cannot continue to extend players to massive deals that will be in effect in their 30’s. Teams that do that enter painful half measure rebuilds and gif themselves on the treadmill of either first round fodder to maybe picking 9-10th overall at best.

They are married to Kadri, Huberdeau, and Weegar. Hanifin and Lindholm will be 27 and 29 when their new deals kick in. I think they need to make the prudent decision and retool the team with these 2 as key trade chips. The move to acquire them was the key move in retooling the team after the disappointing 3 years after the second round run in 2015. Hanifin has been a solid 2-3 D who can put up 40+pt years. Lindholm has been a top line W/C for all 5 of his years here. Goal scoring is down but he still got his 40+ assists.

These guys should be packaged for youth or draft capital. This team needs to be retooled.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Toonage

He'll need to go before the deadline. If the Flames are in a playoff spot the GM, whoever that is, won't be allowed to move him.

And they really can't risk that to be honest.

if Lindholm doesn't want to be here long term, he needs to be moved this off season. Most likely/preferably at the draft.

The decision is 100% this summer.

Offer a contract that works, and if the player doesn't want to sign it the team has to move on. They can't make that mistake again.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The decision is 100% this summer.

Offer a contract that works, and if the player doesn't want to sign it the team has to move on. They can't make that mistake again.

I think it needs to be for all of the UFA's to be. At least the ones with real value.

Lindholm
Tanev
Backlund
Hanifin.

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1643669965252304907

we’d require 1,500 words or more to explain the levels of disappointment this season in calgary. The frustration and friction that is emanating through the franchise is palpable. Changes are coming.

[ComixZone]

The changes are needed.

The Flames are probably one of the worst positioned teams heading into next season if they don't undergo significant change.

They're a capped out bubble team with bottom 1/3rd prospect pool. Which is what we've been for the vast majority of the modern era - time to change that.

I'm enjoying this final push for a playoff spot, but I can't wait to see what happens this off-season.

[Roof-Daddy]

All the Flames need is for Markstrom to return to being a formidable goaltender again and they will be a 100+ point team.

The hyperbole around here is insane.

And when I say formidable, I'm over stating it. League average would be enough.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The changes are needed.

The Flames are probably one of the worst positioned teams heading into next season if they don't undergo significant change.

They're a capped out bubble team with bottom 1/3rd prospect pool. Which is what we've been for the vast majority of the modern era - time to change that.

I'm enjoying this final push for a playoff spot, but I can't wait to see what happens this off-season.

Or they bank on Markstrom rebounding, slight re-tool and they see themselves as a playoff team. We know which one is going to happen lol

[dammage79]

I don't know what the big deal is, big changes were coming regardless of the seasons outcome. Only difference is now it's probably more changes than we thought.

[bluejays]

I’m not sure why plenty think with a good Markstrom they’re in the mix. This team until this week had zero third period comebacks. They’re just not a contender despite being good on paper. And they’ll be a year older next year with long term contracts on aging players. The only positive to me is the possibility of getting a good return for those whose value totally hasn’t been fallen down the tubes. If they sell mid on Huberdeau, & Kadri this off-season they can undo years of pain while teams think they’re getting them on a slight discount. Leaving things to hopes isn’t a plan.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I’m not sure why plenty think with a good Markstrom they’re in the mix. This team until this week had zero third period comebacks. They’re just not a contender despite being good on paper. And they’ll be a year older next year with long term contracts on aging players. The only positive to me is the possibility of getting a good return for those whose value totally hasn’t been fallen down the tubes. If they sell mid on Huberdeau, & Kadri this off-season they can undo years of pain while teams think they’re getting them on a slight discount. Leaving things to hopes isn’t a plan.

Because with even marginally better goaltending we’d be comfortably in the playoffs.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Because with even marginally better goaltending we’d be comfortably in the playoffs.

Yeah let's be honest.. average goaltending has them in the convo for the division right now. That is with Sutter's questionable player usage and bad Huberdeau for most of the year.
Lucic/Lewis/Vladar out.
Pelts, Zary, Wolf, Scorinoto in

More Duer ect... hopefully better Huby

They could easily be a top team....still have to figure out Lindholm and Hanifin before the season I agree there

[Badgers Nose]

I think that Duer would be great with Huby - Walker plays a simple direct game and Huby would know where to find him all the time (near the net or headed that way, stick on ice).

IMO Duer is a middle six player on this team.

This team needs a coach that can fix the players we have long term commitments to, moreso than a lineup makeover.

Apart from being smarter with pending upcoming UFAs, I don't expect much will change in the offseason.

Extending Lindy (if he is interested) fits in with the age of the other big contracts here. Same with Noah.

Backlund signs a hometown discount deal to finish off his career here.

Tanev probably goes at the deadline next year, or if they are in it he'll finish out his contract.

[bluejays]

They'd be comfortably in the playoffs but they've shown they can't win as a team. To me, it's not a matter of "get to the playoffs and we'll go from there and have a fighting chance". It's about the progression as a team you make leading up to the playoffs. This team as is, with or without Markstrom just doesn't have it. Certainly anything can happen but the hope is the stars align. I have serious doubts it will.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by bluejays

If they sell mid on Huberdeau, & Kadri this off-season they can undo years of pain while teams think they’re getting them on a slight discount. Leaving things to hopes isn’t a plan.

I'd be shocked if they could trade Kadri or Huberdeau.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by bluejays

They'd be comfortably in the playoffs but they've shown they can't win as a team. To me, it's not a matter of "get to the playoffs and we'll go from there and have a fighting chance". It's about the progression as a team you make leading up to the playoffs. This team as is, with or without Markstrom just doesn't have it. Certainly anything can happen but the hope is the stars align. I have serious doubts it will.

Yeah but our priorities and ownerships are different.

Ownership just wants a full arena, a competitive team, playoff revenue, and players good enough to sell jerseys.

I don't think they care about progression or if we every win another Cup or win the draft lottery and get a generational player. None of those are necessary for Flames to be a thriving business (measured in profit). Calgary has nothing else to compete with the Flames for sport fan dollars.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I'd be shocked if they could trade Kadri or Huberdeau.

If they both made 2 million less they’d be barely tradeable. Neither hold any positive value right now with the cap hit and length of contract.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I'd be shocked if they could trade Kadri or Huberdeau.

NTCs will do that to you