Former Flames player performance thread - 2022/23 season

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

He probably did until he didn’t. Once he hit the ice and the physical contact increased he likely started facing those same injury issues as before. It’s truly unfortunate

I agree,.just saying you couldn't have forced him into LTIR

He likely wanted to play 82 and get a nice new contract

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, I definitely thought Tkachuk would be a 80 point player. Sure sucks he wouldn't re-sign here

Well that is really glossing over things...He was very willing to sign here for the long haul at the time his first deal was up. We all know how that shook out and the bridge led to him and the Flames to where they are now.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Well that is really glossing over things...He was very willing to sign here for the long haul at the time his first deal was up. We all know how that shook out and the bridge led to him and the Flames to where they are now.

He was probably willing to sign for 5 or 6 years. 7 or 8 would require a big premium.

[FanIn80]

6 points in the 3 games since Keith called the Panthers "soft."

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

6 points in the 3 games since Keith called the Panthers "soft."

Once again who gives a crap if he pulls a Chuckturtle in the playoffs again?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Well that is really glossing over things...He was very willing to sign here for the long haul at the time his first deal was up. We all know how that shook out and the bridge led to him and the Flames to where they are now.

Was he? I mean he said he was willing to sign long term here last May too

who the fack knows

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

6 points in the 3 games since Keith called the Panthers "soft."

true but lets be real, they have 87 points...most years its all over but the crying

if they make the playoffs with 93 points or something they can thank the hockey gods as much as anyone. Penguins have 4 wins in 10 games, Caps 2, Isles 5, Sabres 4

Panthers have gained on all these teams winning 6 of 10, pretty darn fortunate

Looks like they make it and Tkachuk is 100% their MVP but low 90s points on a win now team with ZERO first rounders for the next 3 seasons isn't much to write home about. And they will likely be out in four or five tops considering the opponent.

alright, flame away...

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Well that is really glossing over things...He was very willing to sign here for the long haul at the time his first deal was up. We all know how that shook out and the bridge led to him and the Flames to where they are now.

I mean, I take that with a grain of salt now. He structured his contract in a way that maximized his leverage and then used it to leave.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Ped

Considering many people thought the Panthers were done, and that they're currently in a wildcard spot, I would argue that the meaningful games for them already started.

I might have been a bit too subtle, but as others have mentioned, even if Tkachuk beat McDavid for the Art Ross with 800 points it doesn't matter until he produces when the stakes are highest: playoff time. He wasn't great against Dallas, then absolutely wilted in the second round.

Panthers took a gamble by paying him almost $10 million. However, if he does become a true playoff performer it may be a bargain.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

true but lets be real, they have 87 points...most years its all over but the crying

if they make the playoffs with 93 points or something they can thank the hockey gods as much as anyone. Penguins have 4 wins in 10 games, Caps 2, Isles 5, Sabres 4

Panthers have gained on all these teams winning 6 of 10, pretty darn fortunate

Looks like they make it and Tkachuk is 100% their MVP but low 90s points on a win now team with ZERO first rounders for the next 3 seasons isn't much to write home about. And they will likely be out in four or five tops considering the opponent.

alright, flame away...

I think everyone just looks forward to reading your posts on the Panthers and Tkachuk at this point. No flaming needed.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by bax

This line of thinking is so strange to me. You wanted him moved because he didn’t elevate his game in the playoffs? Tkachuk’s last season in Calgary was his 23/24 year old season. That is still a very young player.

You don’t trade 100 point superstars like that. You get him more experience, surround him with leadership and let him learn what it takes. If Tkachuk was willing to stay in Calgary you do everything you can to sign him. Unfortunately that wasn’t the case.

Also, I don’t think it’s fair to take any credit away from what Tkachuk has done this season because he “plays with some good players”. He’s outscoring everybody on his team by over 30 points. He’s putting up better numbers than he did with Gaudreau.

Last thing, the east isn’t anymore open or higher scoring than the west. 7/10 top scorers in the NHL are in the western conference.

To be fair at that point Tkachuk produced one 100 point season. He wasn't a perennial triple digit point producer. In fact if you looked at his career, the jump in production could be looked at as an anomaly.

Also in regards to the playoffs, maybe he does figure it out but in my personal opinion his weakness (skating), that hasn't seemed to improve, is something that when the speed of the game picks up, its a necessity skill to possess to be able to handle the pace of the game, especially if you are relied on to be "the guy".

Also if my comment came off as taking credit away from him for this year, not my intention. Full marks to him. I'm just acknowledging his current circumstance. Lets also however remember Huberdeau scored 115 pts with that group. Of course its tough to compare since Huberdeau isn't playing with Gaudreau but still its important to consider when looking at the season.

Its not so much about the players, its about the style of play. I think its widely known that the style of play is vastly different in the east than west.

Also I will add my opinion on Tkachuk hasn't changed when he was a Flame and now when he isn't.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CGY12

To be fair at that point Tkachuk produced one 100 point season. He wasn't a perennial triple digit point producer. In fact if you looked at his career, the jump in production could be looked at as an anomaly.

Also in regards to the playoffs, maybe he does figure it out but in my personal opinion his weakness (skating), that hasn't seemed to improve, is something that when the speed of the game picks up, its a necessity skill to possess to be able to handle the pace of the game, especially if you are relied on to be "the guy".

Also if my comment came off as taking credit away from him for this year, not my intention. Full marks to him. I'm just acknowledging his current circumstance. Lets also however remember Huberdeau scored 115 pts with that group. Of course its tough to compare since Huberdeau isn't playing with Gaudreau but still its important to consider when looking at the season.

Its not so much about the players, its about the style of play. I think its widely known that the style of play is vastly different in the east than west.

Also I will add my opinion on Tkachuk hasn't changed when he was a Flame and now when he isn't.

Age means a lot though. It is rare enough for a player to score 100 points once, but Tkachuk did his first time at an age where a lot of players aren't even in their prime. I don't think it is surprising he has managed to do it again. It's also why all this talk about playoff production is premature. The guy is just entering his prime and becoming a playoff performer sometimes takes time. I am 100% sure he will get there as he keeps improving.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Age means a lot though. It is rare enough for a player to score 100 points once, but Tkachuk did his first time at an age where a lot of players aren't even in their prime. I don't think it is surprising he has managed to do it again. It's also why all this talk about playoff production is premature. The guy is just entering his prime and becoming a playoff performer sometimes takes time. I am 100% sure he will get there as he keeps improving.

I acknowledge its rare but I'm more prone to look at his trajectory and what that line looked like leading up to his 100 point season with the Flames and to me at the time (before the trade), I thought it was an anomaly. You couple that with his poor performance in the playoffs, and it was poor, not even good, I was ok with the team not giving him the 9+ million dollar salary he commanded.

For sure, he definitely has time to figure it out in playoff hockey and I wouldn't be shocked if he does. In my mind though you give 9/10/11 million dollar to players who can be the best player on a championship caliber team and I don't see that in Tkachuk.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by CGY12

I acknowledge its rare but I'm more prone to look at his trajectory and what that line looked like leading up to his 100 point season with the Flames and to me at the time (before the trade), I thought it was an anomaly. You couple that with his poor performance in the playoffs, and it was poor, not even good, I was ok with the team not giving him the 9+ million dollar salary he commanded.

For sure, he definitely has time to figure it out in playoff hockey and I wouldn't be shocked if he does. In my mind though you give 9/10/11 million dollar to players who can be the best player on a championship caliber team and I don't see that in Tkachuk.

I'm not surprized at all Tkachuk reached 100+ points again with Florida, hate him all you want but for a big guy he's a wizard with the puck and has a great shot, I am surprized he's leading that team in scoring by 30+ points though.

As for playoff performance, many players take a while to "bring it" in the playoffs and he did finish 2nd in scoring with 10 pts in 12 games playing with a cracked bone in his hand...hardly poor, and it's delusional to think he's not worth a 9+ million contract. His $9.5m deal might turn into one of the best deals in the league within 2 years.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I'm not surprized at all Tkachuk reached 100+ points again with Florida, hate him all you want but for a big guy he's a wizard with the puck and has a great shot, I am surprized he's leading that team in scoring by 30+ points though.

As for playoff performance, many players take a while to "bring it" in the playoffs and he did finish 2nd in scoring with 10 pts in 12 games playing with a cracked bone in his hand...hardly poor, and it's delusional to think he's not worth a 9+ million contract. His $9.5m deal might turn into one of the best deals in the league within 2 years.

I don't hate tkachuk first of all. I'm some what surprised he hit 100 again and haven't watched Florida too much this year, so I can't speak to the rest of the team. Huberdeau did the same thing last year. Barkov is a complete player and is so gifted skill wise, I'm surprised he's never hit 100.

I guess we have different perspectives of what poor is. I think he was largely ineffective in a majority of those 12 games, he had that great game 1 vs Edmonton, game 7 vs Dallas he played well, but consistently bringing it I didn't see it. That's also been the story of his fulll playoff tenure on the Flames. In terms of worth a 9 million dollar contract, if what we see in the regular season from him in the playoffs, I would agree. However in my opinion, I don't think you pay a player that type of dollar when he hasn't shown he can elevate in the playoffs.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by CGY12

I don't hate tkachuk first of all. I'm some what surprised he hit 100 again and haven't watched Florida too much this year, so I can't speak to the rest of the team. Huberdeau did the same thing last year. Barkov is a complete player and is so gifted skill wise, I'm surprised he's never hit 100.

I guess we have different perspectives of what poor is. I think he was largely ineffective in a majority of those 12 games, he had that great game 1 vs Edmonton, game 7 vs Dallas he played well, but consistently bringing it I didn't see it. That's also been the story of his fulll playoff tenure on the Flames. In terms of worth a 9 million dollar contract, if what we see in the regular season from him in the playoffs, I would agree. However in my opinion, I don't think you pay a player that type of dollar when he hasn't shown he can elevate in the playoffs.

He's too busy playing defense because nobody else on the team does.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by CGY12

I acknowledge its rare but I'm more prone to look at his trajectory and what that line looked like leading up to his 100 point season with the Flames and to me at the time (before the trade), I thought it was an anomaly. You couple that with his poor performance in the playoffs, and it was poor, not even good, I was ok with the team not giving him the 9+ million dollar salary he commanded.

For sure, he definitely has time to figure it out in playoff hockey and I wouldn't be shocked if he does. In my mind though you give 9/10/11 million dollar to players who can be the best player on a championship caliber team and I don't see that in Tkachuk.

Tkachuk was 24. He averaged over 70 pts playing with Backlund who is a 40-50 pt player. It’s not a big surprise that he can put up 100 with better players.

[FanIn80]

"It's Matthew Tkachuk all day every day. How can you not tune into a Panthers' game and not just turn your attention to Tkachuk? With due respect to Aleksander Barkov, it's Tkachuk who is the Panthers' heart and soul. He has six points (four goals, two assists) in Florida's active four-game winning streak that put it into position to be the first wild card into the playoffs from the Eastern Conference. He needs four goals to set a new NHL career high for goals in a season and two points to set his personal best for points. Tkachuk has 39 goals and 103 points. He had 42 goals and 104 points with the Flames last season. The Panthers are on his back; now watch him carry them into the playoffs." -- Rosen

https://www.nhl.com/news/super-16-nh...-6/c-343163292

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I think everyone just looks forward to reading your posts on the Panthers and Tkachuk at this point. No flaming needed.

everything I said was correct

they have less points than the Flames...they are very fortunate to be in a spot with those point totals and don't have a first for 3 years.

they might squeak in and play Boston, will be tough for Tkachuk to look too good in the playoffs this year although not really his fault.

I don't see how they improve more than Buffalo, Detroit, and the other up and coming teams in the east the next few years let alone enough to get back to being a contender. Obviously Tkachuk by himself is a good add but they went from the presidents trophy to this. Tkachuk is probably in his 30s before they are a contender again....if ever

Pretty confident at the end of the day I am right about this team...they either miss or squeak in and get pounded. I'm sure I will be called out if wrong in here...or crickets when the most likely outcome happens.

[Jason14h]

MT had 2 assists in first two Florida goals. STUD