2023 Toronto Blue Jays Season Thread

[Enoch Root]

It's pretty funny (and also a bit sad) that we are all hoping (and even believing a little bit) that Kikuchi can be the guy to save the rotation today.

They need a good outing. You can't keep giving up 9 runs a game.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yup. And if they keep failing at that, then it's time to replace the scouts or the pitching coaches (or both).

But the answer is definitely not to trade your best player for more arms.

I feel like trading top consistent players for arms is a fool's game anyway. Arms can be so unpredictable from one year to the next with few exceptions. I mean, who knows, Manoah could tank and have an awful year this season. He certainly had a bad start.

That's also why paying big money for arms is mostly filled with regrets as well. Berrios, Ryu, who knows maybe Bassitt are three big regrets or potential regrets and Kikuchi isn't looking like a great signing either (prove me wrong tonight!).

The only arm I'd pay through the nose for is Ohtani for obvious reasons since he's still pretty useful even if that arm falls off.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

I feel like trading top consistent players for arms is a fool's game anyway. Arms can be so unpredictable from one year to the next with few exceptions. I mean, who knows, Manoah could tank and have an awful year this season. He certainly had a bad start.

That's also why paying big money for arms is mostly filled with regrets as well. Berrios, Ryu, who knows maybe Bassitt are three big regrets or potential regrets and Kikuchi isn't looking like a great signing either (prove me wrong tonight!).

The only arm I'd pay through the nose for is Ohtani for obvious reasons since he's still pretty useful even if that arm falls off.

Yeah. It’s an extreme warning to future GM’s to not sign these guys for long term. When you look year to year the top pitchers are rarely anything three or four years later. A few savvy veterans buck that trend and inexplicably stay healthy but those are rare exceptions. Tampa Bay knows how to cut guys loose when they’re ready for the big payday while making astute deals to get the best pitching back. Learn from them.

[Jason14h]

But then who would we have as our starters

It’s easy to say don’t sign them , but that only works if you develop them like StL, TB or Atlanta

The Jays would literally have 1 starter if we didn’t trade /sign them

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

But then who would we have as our starters

It’s easy to say don’t sign them , but that only works if you develop them like StL, TB or Atlanta

The Jays would literally have 1 starter if we didn’t trade /sign them

Fair question. You’d have to rely on draft and trades. Takes more effort but it’s the difference between making one run and going for it annually. It’s not easy though.

[ben voyonsdonc]

I’d bet decent money that Guerrero gets locked up long term in a couple of years. Probably a 10 yr deal worth $375m.

[ben voyonsdonc]

It’s Kikuchi time! Let’s go Yusei.

[Enoch Root]

Hey, here's a new idea - let's leave a couple runners stranded!

[flamingred89]

0-17 RISP with 2 outs to start the season...yeesh.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Man, great defensive play by Vladdy.

[bluejays]

The way things are picking up, it wouldn't surprise me if it's a bit higher. Though personally, with a guy who really has to work to keep his weight down, I wouldn't be willing to do more than 6 years. Going beyond that is crazy.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Kikuchi the ace.

[flamingred89]

Is that the first 3 up 3 down to start the game the Jays have had so far this season?

[Enoch Root]

So far, so kuchi

[KelVarnsen]

No runs by the opposing team in the first inning. Progress!

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by bluejays

The way things are picking up, it wouldn't surprise me if it's a bit higher. Though personally, with a guy who really has to work to keep his weight down, I wouldn't be willing to do more than 6 years. Going beyond that is crazy.

I don’t think he is signing a 6 year deal with anyone.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

Is that the first 3 up 3 down to start the game the Jays have had so far this season?

Gausman pitched well but was let down by the defense

[ben voyonsdonc]

I really love that Sportsnet includes OPS+ on the stat card for each batter this year.

[Enoch Root]

Is it me, or has every ball that the Jays have hit this year been right at a defender?

[flamingred89]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I really love that Sportsnet includes OPS+ on the stat card for each batter this year.

And pretty funny when it's this early. Danny Jansen rocking an 11 so far lol.