Former Flames player performance thread - 2022/23 season

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Being a 25 y/o multimillionaire in Miami is no doubt more fun than being a 25 y/o multimillionaire in Calgary.

I remember him saying in an interview following their first game in Florida after the Bennet trade that Sam had raved about living there and how great it was.

No I’m talking about his motivation to leave back in 2019 as many here are convinced he signed a 3 year deal just to weasel his way out of town. I just don’t see the motivation, he just had a career year, the team was #1 in the west, the fans loved, everyone talked about him being the next captain. I think he absolutely wanted to sign a long term deal here like he said did.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Treliving had no choice. He didn’t have cap space for a longer deal.

Yes, I know. I had alluded to that earlier when I said management made the foolish decision to buyout Troy Brouwer and sign James Neal. A mistake compounded on top of another mistake.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

No I’m talking about his motivation to leave back in 2019 as many here are convinced he signed a 3 year deal just to weasel his way out of town. I just don’t see the motivation, he just had a career year, the team was #1 in the west, the fans loved, everyone talked about him being the next captain. I think he absolutely wanted to sign a long term deal here like he said did.

Not sure who’s saying what but he never weaseled out of Calgary. He played his hand and let the Flames know his intentions that he was not going to re-sign with the Flames. He clearly always had intentions of leaving Calgary the moment he signed the bridge deal. This doesn’t make him a bad guy as this was his right to take control of his situation. Anything he said in front of a microphone as a Flame was simply to tell fans and management what wanted to hear while holding his cards close to his chest. You would almost swear he was coached by a parent that’s been through this in the past.

[Jaydee]

So basically if Treliving hadn't giving up Bennett for peanuts we would still have Bennett and Tkachuk.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

So basically if Treliving hadn't giving up Bennett for peanuts we would still have Bennett and Tkachuk.

Depends on the expansion draft...Bennett seems a more likely pick based on what SEA did, but who knows.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

So basically if Treliving hadn't giving up Bennett for peanuts we would still have Bennett and Tkachuk.

Well, no. That’s by no means certain. I think Tkachuk was never a long term Flame. And Bennett would maybe have had to be exposed in the expansion draft

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not sure who’s saying what but he never weaseled out of Calgary. He played his hand and let the Flames know his intentions that he was not going to re-sign with the Flames. He clearly always had intentions of leaving Calgary the moment he signed the bridge deal. This doesn’t make him a bad guy as this was his right to take control of his situation. Anything he said in front of a microphone as a Flame was simply to tell fans and management what wanted to hear while holding his cards close to his chest. You would almost swear he was coached by a parent that’s been through this in the past.

See, where’s the proof of this? I see so many posts like this, but how do we know it wasn’t management’s idea to keep Tkachuk’s cap hit lower so they had more cap space to add/keep depth.

That’s I’m bringing up 2019. He was happy here after that 2019 season for all the reasons I listed. Do you guys think it was always his dream to bolt to the perennially terrible Florida Panthers at the time? It’s easy to say he wanted this all along, but I don’t see the motives to leave back in 2019. There were no rumors, no talk, no smoke, no fire. He was beloved here at the time and I think he wanted to be a Flame for a long time until 2021 changed his mind.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

So basically if Treliving hadn't giving up Bennett for peanuts we would still have Bennett and Tkachuk.

A 2nd round pick and a prospect picked in the 2nd isn't peanuts.
Seems about right for a guy who is a 40-50 point forward.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

Agreed, that goes without saying for most. I’m a Flames fan and if I had that option, I’d choose to live and play in Florida over Calgary, 100%.

Tax situation there makes it a big attraction I would guess.

[tvp2003]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1642326484172918785

On his way to 600 goals and 1300 points, probably.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames could have sent him to NJ or St. Louis is the deal was right...it's not like he just chose Florida vs. Calgary

A big part of the value for Florida was no doubt the certainty of the long-term deal. Tkachuk didn't have to agree to sign & trade with anywhere he didn't want to, so the Flames were not in a position to make equivalent offers anywhere they wanted.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

A big part of the value for Florida was no doubt the certainty of the long-term deal. Tkachuk didn't have to agree to sign & trade with anywhere he didn't want to, so the Flames were not in a position to make equivalent offers anywhere they wanted.

He would have signed with any of the teams on his list...that was the point. He wanted to cash long term just not with the Flames

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He would have signed with any of the teams on his list...that was the point. He wanted to cash long term just not with the Flames

I don't remember all the details that clearly, but did he state all the terms and dollar value he would require as part of his list?

If not, submitting a list of teams he was willing to sign with doesn't imply he wouldn't still pick the contract he liked most from among those offered. The Flames couldn't force him to sign anything. So, unless he committed to specific contract terms as part of his list, he still ultimately held the cards, not the Flames.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

If the Tkachuk's are about money and security, wouldn't it have made more sense for Matthew to have accepted a $70 million deal instead of just a $20 million deal in case of career ending injuries or etc? Brady sure was smart to take the long term money and security deal even if it meant staying in Canada.

Brady held out and it's a belief he wanted a similar bridge that Matthew had, Ottawa would have none of it and were the ones that forced his hand on a long term deal as they didn't want a Mark Stone repeat, at the time they overpaid on Brady but if you want to keep your stars in small market Canada you have to play hardball even if you have to overpay them.

I said it back then and I will continue to say it was an epic failure on the Flames/Treliving for signing Matthew to that walk away contract, if a bridge was needed for cap reasons it should have been two years, then you still hold the hammer, giving him a final $9m qualifying year straight to UFA was all kinds of dumb and unforgivable, the team hold the rights for 7 years and you need to use those rights, especially in small market Canada.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I don't remember all the details that clearly, but did he state all the terms and dollar value he would require as part of his list?

If not, submitting a list of teams he was willing to sign with doesn't imply he wouldn't still pick the contract he liked most from among those offered. The Flames couldn't force him to sign anything. So, unless he committed to specific contract terms as part of his list, he still ultimately held the cards, not the Flames.

IIRC he was an offer-sheet eligible RFA. Which means he could talk directly to any team (at least until arbitration was filed - I don't recall that exact timeline).

So it's very likely that mutual interest would've been established before he made his list.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

IIRC he was an offer-sheet eligible RFA. Which means he could talk directly to any team (at least until arbitration was filed - I don't recall that exact timeline).

So it's very likely that mutual interest would've been established before he made his list.

I seemed to remember the Flames filing for arbitration right away with Tkachuk so as to prevent any offer sheets. Would he still have been able to talk with other teams before that?

Either way, knowing mutual interest is pretty different from knowing contract terms. I would have expected him providing a list was saying to Treliving "I won't sign with anyone but these teams" not "I'll sign with any of these teams the Flames choose to trade me to, regardless of the differences between their offers".

He would have needed to agree to any offer before signing, and I imagine would have still wanted to compare offers from each team before signing any of them.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I already said he couldn't be playing any better...he went there to win multiple cups. Lol GL

100 point season gets them 9th place

He will 100% have less points than Huberdeau there last season, minus Weegar, and another first
.
My question is where is the improvement? How do the Panthers become a cup contender while Tkachuk is young?

I dont see it...you guys mock me but the lot of you disappeared when they lost 4 straight. Those in glass houses

You're in the glass house with the bulk of your posts when it comes to former players!!!

[CGY12]

I will be the first to admit that I never saw Tkachuk getting to 100 pts without Gaudreau, now granted he does play with some good players still and in a more open conference but credit where credit is due. Good for him, however the main reason I wanted him moved because he didn't elevate his game in the playoffs, his skating really seems to hamper him when the game gets quicker and I didn't want the team giving a player 9+ million when he couldn't be that difference maker in spring. Now maybe he figures that out moving forward but I just didn't think we could be a contender as him as our best or 2nd best player at the cap hit he was seeking.

[Nammer403]

Poor Mony

https://twitter.com/user/status/1642906048431259648

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I seemed to remember the Flames filing for arbitration right away with Tkachuk so as to prevent any offer sheets. Would he still have been able to talk with other teams before that?

Either way, knowing mutual interest is pretty different from knowing contract terms. I would have expected him providing a list was saying to Treliving "I won't sign with anyone but these teams" not "I'll sign with any of these teams the Flames choose to trade me to, regardless of the differences between their offers".

He would have needed to agree to any offer before signing, and I imagine would have still wanted to compare offers from each team before signing any of them.

Looks like the arb was filed July 18. Pretty sure UFA day was July 12 (or 13th?).

They could get a pretty good picture of contract terms over that week...at least close enough to know that a deal could be made