Former Flames player performance thread - 2022/23 season

[Goriders]

Wonder if johnny hockey regrets the move. Probably not at this point. I’m sure he has settled in.

But it must have been a big change. Columbus is horrible.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I don't think it was the Muzzin incident, but the bridge deal pointed towards him wanting out as fast as possible.

If I was a star or superstar in the NHL, the last place I would want to play is Western Canada. I might consider Vancouver.

Once Calgary wasn't in a position to offer him an 8 year contract at an acceptable money, he took the bridge deal to put himself in the best possible position to cash in.

The Tkachuks have always been about money and security. I have little doubt he would have signed on if offer an 8- year deal with big money. Once he also had the option of getting to choose his place and money, that was a different matter.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I always thought that aspect of his game was overstated. I mean, his skating is by no means a strength and if we’re being honest, he did have a pretty ugly stride. But I don’t remember his skating ever preventing him from getting him to where he needed to get to. I also think Chuck did a great job of compensating; even if he wasn’t a great skater, he was still relatively agile, and very difficult to push off the puck, so at the very least, he could dictate and control the pace of play to what suited him.

That was the beauty of the Gaudreau-Tkachuk combo, they were completely different players, but they both thought the game at the same elite level and it was really difficult for the opposition to find a shutdown line that could stop them because they could score in every fashion. They didn’t need to always score the fancy type of goals because they were equally adept at scoring on the rush as they were at dumping and chasing.

Yes, his other skills are elite. That allows him to operate at high level despite skating like that.
Imagine if he can skate like McDavid?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

dino7c seeing new posts in this thread after Tkachuk has a good game:

"I don't know what the big deal is. Tkachuk only has two 80 point seasons."

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think the failure to come to a long term deal at the time planted the seeds for sure. The team didn't show faith in him and then gave him the temptation of becoming a UfA at age 25. I think after that bridge deal was made, everything would have had to have gone perfect for him to sign a long term deal after that point. It was reported by insiders that Tkachuk wanted to be named captain, which isn't something that a player asks for if they are already 100% planning to leave. I just don't think Tkachuk felt respected and once Johnny left, that was the final straw. I actually don't blame him. He was our franchise player, but management wouldn't treat him that way, so he went somewhere where they would.

Even if not 100% on them, I have had enough of Treliving and Conroy.

Hoping they and the rest of management move on.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I always thought that aspect of his game was overstated. I mean, his skating is by no means a strength and if we’re being honest, he did have a pretty ugly stride. But I don’t remember his skating ever preventing him from getting him to where he needed to get to. I also think Chuck did a great job of compensating; even if he wasn’t a great skater, he was still relatively agile, and very difficult to push off the puck, so at the very least, he could dictate and control the pace of play to what suited him.

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Yeah Tkachuk's stride is ugly and he isn't blowing past anyone but it doesn't hurt him really much at all. If he had that kind of speed he would be generational imo. But now he just goes into the front of the net, takes the beating and tips pucks in. And shoots like a maniac which is refreshing.

He's played with a lot of different players this year and elevated all of them, just yesterday he was put with Lundell and Luostarinen and they were immediately the best line again even though Lundell is going through a massive sophmore slump. No idea where the Panthers would be without him, Barkov has been ass offensively almost the entire year, Ekblad has fallen off the cliff and Bob is bad Bob again. So few bright spots on that team this year.

Oh yeah and that Maurice guy is a total charlatan, how he's managed to have a job so long in the nhl is puzzling.

[Goriders]

Wonder if this season is the last one for Monahan. I can’t see many teams lining up to sign him with his injury history.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I don't think it was the Muzzin incident, but the bridge deal pointed towards him wanting out as fast as possible.

If I was a star or superstar in the NHL, the last place I would want to play is Western Canada. I might consider Vancouver.

How do we know Treliving wasn't the one who wanted the 3 year deal? I have heard Brad in the past talk about keeping cap hits lower to add more depth to maximize their window.

I don't even see the motive for Tkachuk wanting to leave. Back in 2019, the team won the West and he finished with a career year. He lead the team in scoring the next season, had his best playoff performance and the Flames beat the Jets in the play in round.

He subsequently got injured in the Dallas series, but as everyone remembers, he looked pretty invested in the team up in the press box. After 2021, his tone had completely changed though, even Darryl talked about how sorry he felt for Tkachuk during that season.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Once Calgary wasn't in a position to offer him an 8 year contract at an acceptable money, he took the bridge deal to put himself in the best possible position to cash in.

The Tkachuks have always been about money and security. I have little doubt he would have signed on if offer an 8- year deal with big money. Once he also had the option of getting to choose his place and money, that was a different matter.

If the Tkachuk's are about money and security, wouldn't it have made more sense for Matthew to have accepted a $70 million deal instead of just a $20 million deal in case of career ending injuries or etc? Brady sure was smart to take the long term money and security deal even if it meant staying in Canada.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Wonder if this season is the last one for Monahan. I can’t see many teams lining up to sign him with his injury history.

Depending on what he wants

Plenty of team will give him a chance for minimal salary. He did have a record of being good.

[soulchoice]

It’s quite apparent that Chucky will produce numbers with any line mate, as he has taken the next step in his career to carry a line, no matter what style the team is plays or conference he is in. I love watching him play still, as he is elite around the net with hands.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

How do we know Treliving wasn't the one who wanted the 3 year deal? I have heard Brad in the past talk about keeping cap hits lower to add more depth to maximize their window.

I don't even see the motive for Tkachuk wanting to leave. Back in 2019, the team won the West and he finished with a career year. He lead the team in scoring the next season, had his best playoff performance and the Flames beat the Jets in the play in round.

He subsequently got injured in the Dallas series, but as everyone remembers, he looked pretty invested in the team up in the press box. After 2021, his tone had completely changed though, even Darryl talked about how sorry he felt for Tkachuk during that season.

Being a 25 y/o multimillionaire in Miami is no doubt more fun than being a 25 y/o multimillionaire in Calgary.

I remember him saying in an interview following their first game in Florida after the Bennet trade that Sam had raved about living there and how great it was.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

"I don't know what the big deal is. Tkachuk only has two 80 point seasons."

I already said he couldn't be playing any better...he went there to win multiple cups. Lol GL

100 point season gets them 9th place

He will 100% have less points than Huberdeau there last season, minus Weegar, and another first
.
My question is where is the improvement? How do the Panthers become a cup contender while Tkachuk is young?

I dont see it...you guys mock me but the lot of you disappeared when they lost 4 straight. Those in glass houses

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Being a 25 y/o multimillionaire in Miami is no doubt more fun than being a 25 y/o multimillionaire in Calgary.

I remember him saying in an interview following their first game in Florida after the Bennet trade that Sam had raved about living there and how great it was.

Agreed, that goes without saying for most. I’m a Flames fan and if I had that option, I’d choose to live and play in Florida over Calgary, 100%.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

Agreed, that goes without saying for most. I’m a Flames fan and if I had that option, I’d choose to live and play in Florida over Calgary, 100%.

Flames could have sent him to NJ or St. Louis is the deal was right...it's not like he just chose Florida vs. Calgary

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

How do we know Treliving wasn't the one who wanted the 3 year deal? I have heard Brad in the past talk about keeping cap hits lower to add more depth to maximize their window.

I don't even see the motive for Tkachuk wanting to leave. Back in 2019, the team won the West and he finished with a career year. He lead the team in scoring the next season, had his best playoff performance and the Flames beat the Jets in the play in round.

He subsequently got injured in the Dallas series, but as everyone remembers, he looked pretty invested in the team up in the press box. After 2021, his tone had completely changed though, even Darryl talked about how sorry he felt for Tkachuk during that season.

Treliving had no choice. He didn’t have cap space for a longer deal.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames could have sent him to NJ or St. Louis is the deal was right...it's not like he just chose Florida vs. Calgary

Who knows if Tkachuk would have signed long term with those teams.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Who knows if Tkachuk would have signed long term with those teams.

Also, if he did express an interest to sign long term with Florida, that certainly would increase the price the Panthers were willing to pay and I’d have no doubt they offered the best packaged as a result. As he was clearly worth much more than any other asset the Flames got in return.

[dino7c]

?? Tkachuk gave a list of teams he was willing to sign long term with...that was the point of the short list of teams.

St.Louis and NJ were on it

[Jiri Hrdina]

I didn’t think the Devils were on the list
I thought it was Carolina, Tampa, New York, STL, and Florida
New York and Tampa were not possible so it was down to the 3
NJ was never on the list as far as I recall