Didn't they practice active shooter scenarios in Uvalde?
The school likely did. IF the PD did, then they really, really did a piss poor job. For an active shooter drill to really be effective, you need both the school and the PD participating.
A solution to mass-shooting attacks at public places like schools that would likely reduce or almost eliminate those events would be to arm every adult and require them to carry a weapon.
Of course, this would obviously increase the number of actual shootings. Most predictably accidental shootings and suicides, but also other kinds of shooting deaths as well (an example: Florida is a "Stand Your Ground" State, would a physically smaller teacher be within their rights to shoot a larger student advancing at them in a menacing fashion?).
The only long-term solution to firearm deaths is firearm restrictions. If the US actually wants to solve this issue, it begins with the repeal of the 2nd Amendment and nothing else is worth talking about because it's just window dressing.
If repeal of the 2nd Amendment is not on the table, then all other discussions are pointless as they will have no measurable impact.
This almost just describes America as a whole - a country so well-armed nobody would invade, but where the people shoot each other all the time too.
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The school likely did. IF the PD did, then they really, really did a piss poor job. For an active shooter drill to really be effective, you need both the school and the PD participating.
That part that stood out to me with Uvalde was the footage showing a 300 lb officer squirming on his belly for about 10 feet before retreating because he was out of breath.
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That part that stood out to me with Uvalde was the footage showing a 300 lb officer squirming on his belly for about 10 feet before retreating because he was out of breath.
Uvalde was an example of the police on scene completely abdicating their responsibility and duty to put themselves at risk so that innocent civilians could have a chance to survive. It was disgusting and absolute cowardice on their part. You can train all you want, but if you’re not of the proper mindset it won’t matter.
After yesterday where a video of a man being murdered in Canada came out, I really question why we need to see stuff like this. It feels a bit goulish.
I'm of the belief that someone should release a video of a school shooting. Maybe if people saw a bunch of kids getting mowed down by some nutbar with gun they would actually change their tune about guns.
When you consider how people react to athletes and domestic violence, it makes sense. If an athlete gets arrested for it - people forget about it in a day. If there's a video of an athlete punching or kicking his wife - the outrage is much higher.
They used to train kids in the '50s and early '60s to shelter under their desks in the event of a nuclear bomb attack. Surely that would be sufficient for an active shooter attack if it was enough to protect kids from a nuclear bomb.
They used to train kids in the '50s and early '60s to shelter under their desks in the event of a nuclear bomb attack. Surely that would be sufficient for an active shooter attack if it was enough to protect kids from a nuclear bomb.
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They used to train kids in the '50s and early '60s to shelter under their desks in the event of a nuclear bomb attack. Surely that would be sufficient for an active shooter attack if it was enough to protect kids from a nuclear bomb.
Just because active shooter situations are rare in Calgary doesn't mean there shouldn't be active training to prepare for them. Just like a fire drill at a school in case of a fire. How often does a school fire breakout? And yet I remember fire drills 2-3x per year.
I also remember going to school and practising lockdown procedures. That was 2004-2006.
Yesterday a town nearby had an incident at a bar with a guy being an idiot and the school nearby was put on alert.
Is that wrong? Is it wrong that the cops knew how to deal with the situation?
Such a strange take.
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I'm of the belief that someone should release a video of a school shooting. Maybe if people saw a bunch of kids getting mowed down by some nutbar with gun they would actually change their tune about guns.
When you consider how people react to athletes and domestic violence, it makes sense. If an athlete gets arrested for it - people forget about it in a day. If there's a video of an athlete punching or kicking his wife - the outrage is much higher.
The actual number of insane school shooters is very small. But releasing video's like this could counterpoint inspire them.
I don't think videos like this are going to change minds on the gun control. It might harden the resolve of that wacky idiot group that wants to arm teachers for example.
The only way to change the discussion on gun control honestly is to destroy the gun lobby and remove the ability for these lobbies to give money to candidates.
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When there is an active shooter somewhere, they should round up the "good guys with a gun" and send them in as the first wave to take them out. It's what they have been waiting for, so it shouldn't be an issue.
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When there is an active shooter somewhere, they should round up the "good guys with a gun" and send them in as the first wave to take them out. It's what they have been waiting for, so it shouldn't be an issue.
I know you're joking or being sarcastic. But this goes with my same argument with training teachers and arming them.
Why would we want to send half trained clearly non professional people armed with guns into a school, or church or office building. Its more likely that their lack of training and situational awareness and uncontrollable adrenaline and fear rush would lead to a lot of dead innocents.
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I know you're joking or being sarcastic. But this goes with my same argument with training teachers and arming them.
Why would we want to send half trained clearly non professional people armed with guns into a school, or church or office building. Its more likely that their lack of training and situational awareness and uncontrollable adrenaline and fear rush would lead to a lot of dead innocents.
Because some of them would also be killed either by the shooter or their fellow good guys with guns?
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I know you're joking or being sarcastic. But this goes with my same argument with training teachers and arming them.
Why would we want to send half trained clearly non professional people armed with guns into a school, or church or office building. Its more likely that their lack of training and situational awareness and uncontrollable adrenaline and fear rush would lead to a lot of dead innocents.
The problem is the vast majority of the "If I was there" crowd, disagrees with this point, and that's why they think they should be walking around with guns all the time.
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I know you're joking or being sarcastic. But this goes with my same argument with training teachers and arming them.
Why would we want to send half trained clearly non professional people armed with guns into a school, or church or office building. Its more likely that their lack of training and situational awareness and uncontrollable adrenaline and fear rush would lead to a lot of dead innocents.
Maybe the NRA and gun manufacturers could be persuaded to chip in and cover the costs for other professional development and educational resources schools already can't afford, just as long as those schools spend a lot of money on buying guns and training teachers to use them.
That makes sense, right?
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In reviewing this Nashville story, one thing kind of struck me a bit.
The attacker apparently diarized that there were two targets, a mall and then this school, but they selected the school due to inferior security measures in comparison to the mall.
If you believe that airport security measures are necessary based on the risk posed to hijackings, bombs threats, etc., and you view that in the lens of how much cost and oversight goes into security measures for airports and aircraft, why is the same not being regulated into schools?
Seems to me like schools are becoming a frequent target of these types of attacks. Shouldn't there be extensive security checkpoints, maybe fencing is required, metal detectors (at all schools, not just some). It doesn't just need to be teachers get guns. Maybe more security is required generally speaking, and should be regulated in and mandated at schools.
Sure, there will be cost. But there already is huge cost with deciding not to confront the armed population.
An aside and something I've thought about for awhile, I am genuinely surprised there has not been (violent) retribution to NSA members and leadership, or their families, in retaliation for blocking bills and playing politics with this issue. Seems like some parent of a murdered 8 year old could rationalize trying to "fix" the situation.
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