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Erick Estrada · 03-28-2023, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure

IMO, this garbage does more to damage the game than players not participating in Pride events, and I sure don't see the media up in arms over it.

And where are all the NHL higher ups? Nevermind the players.

In fact one could make a strong argument that the old boys club at TSN who have been covering World Juniors for literally decades sure have been quiet about it all. Also took them forever to admit something was going on.

Without Rick Westhead literally beating down doors on this story, who knows if it ever would have come to light.

And I'm sure we agree that this is systemic already, and considering the stories we have heard about what goes on in locker rooms, hazing events, etc....how is the NHL so quiet about this? It should be easy to understand how all this #### does nothing to encourage more people to play hockey, or more parents to get their kids into minor hockey.

Pathetic.

Lets not turn this into a witch hunt. It may be possible guys like Duthie, McKenzie, Button may have heard whispers it's also possible they really don't know anything more than what's been released. Also what exactly would you want them to come out and say? That they heard some rumors it may be player X on TV and risk lawsuits against them or the station? Also this is a Hockey Canada scandal, not an NHL scandal. All the i's need to be dotted and t's crossed before the NHL can do anything to any players in the league that may have been involved.

Azure · 03-28-2023, 02:17 PM

You don't understand.

Westhead was going public with this story for months before anyone at TSN even mentioned it.

All they needed to do was report on what he was reporting on. They have a high level of influence within hockey circles.

But we all know why they didn't, because at the heart of it hockey in Canada is VERY much an old boys club.

It may be a hockey Canada scandal, but the players involved all play in the NHL.

You have to be tripping something serious to not see the hypocrisy here.

PepsiFree · 03-28-2023, 02:24 PM

It’s pretty unusual for reporters to report on stories being covered by someone on the same network.

Westhead works for TSN and his reporting has been through TSN. I’m not sure why the same organization Westhead works for that was airing/publishing all of his stuff is the one being accused of not mentioning it.

Erick Estrada · 03-28-2023, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

You don't understand.

Westhead was going public with this story for months before anyone at TSN even mentioned it.

All they needed to do was report on what he was reporting on. They have a high level of influence within hockey circles.

But we all know why they didn't, because at the heart of it hockey in Canada is VERY much an old boys club.

It may be a hockey Canada scandal, but the players involved all play in the NHL.

You have to be tripping something serious to not see the hypocrisy here.

It's quite evident someone in this thread is tripping.

Cowboy89 · 03-28-2023, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Honestly #### Hockey Canada for that decision too. They know who was accused at this point, blaming the entire team so they don’t have to be the first to release the names and make a determination is a joke. Imagine being out of a country when a crime occurred and now you can’t perform for the national team because you have some cowards at top.

I'm pretty sure they are making this decision based on how hard they could get sued by the players. Doing anything at this point prior to the conclusion of investigations might even compromise the investigation by implying through these decisions where they believe guilt lies before investigations are complete.

OptimalTates · 03-28-2023, 04:26 PM

Banning someone for something you know for a fact they were not involved in (such as the players who weren't at the event or even in the country) increases the chance of being sued, not decreases it lol.

They are just cowards, they don't want to name names, that's what this has always been about; protecting their players. They are still doing it.

Samonadreau · 03-28-2023, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Banning someone for something you know for a fact they were not involved in (such as the players who weren't at the event or even in the country) increases the chance of being sued, not decreases it lol.

They are just cowards, they don't want to name names, that's what this has always been about; protecting their players. They are still doing it.

Maybe, but at some point this needs to gets sorted, or nailed down to which players were 'involved'. WC not the end of the world, but if the NHL decides to go to the Olympics again and the number 1 Dman in the world isnt allowed to be on team Canada... that can't happen. That tells me this will get sorted.

Goriders · 03-28-2023, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Banning someone for something you know for a fact they were not involved in (such as the players who weren't at the event or even in the country) increases the chance of being sued, not decreases it lol.

They are just cowards, they don't want to name names, that's what this has always been about; protecting their players. They are still doing it.

Pretty heavy accusations so I’m sure their legal council has told then not to single out individual players until the process is complete.

OptimalTates · 03-28-2023, 06:29 PM

Same legal counsel telling them to pay off hush money before. Hockey Canada is, as always, looking out for its best interest and nothing more. Bunch of cowards with no morals.

getbak · 03-28-2023, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

Saw a headline last night that said "Makar, rest of 2018 Jr Team ruled out of Olympics, Championships".

Olympics? This better be resolved long before 2026.

CroFlames · 03-29-2023, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by getbak

Olympics? This better be resolved long before 2026.

Can't dig up the headline now. And it was probably edited by now too.

But it was clear clickbait singling out Canada's best defenseman and mentioning Olympics.

Greasy reporting.

Samonadreau · 03-29-2023, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

Can't dig up the headline now. And it was probably edited by now too.

But it was clear clickbait singling out Canada's best defenseman and mentioning Olympics.

Greasy reporting.

At the end of the day it factors in. Makar not allowed to play for team Canada until there is some sort of resolution.

CroFlames · 03-29-2023, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Samonadreau

At the end of the day it factors in. Makar not allowed to play for team Canada until there is some sort of resolution.

OK but Makar was basically exonerated because he did not play CHL and the assault took place at a CHL gala, did it not?

GioforPM · 03-29-2023, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Goriders

Pretty heavy accusations so I’m sure their legal council has told then not to single out individual players until the process is complete.

I suspect this is it. Easy to exclude Makar from the ban if he wasn't in the country. But then someone else says "exclude me too - I wasn't at the hotel". and someone else says "exclude me too, I was in my own room minding my own business". Pretty soon you have a complete list of suspects.
No one has a right to be included in the WC roster so no suits are really viable.

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Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Same legal counsel telling them to pay off hush money before. Hockey Canada is, as always, looking out for its best interest and nothing more. Bunch of cowards with no morals.

I doubt it's the same counsel.

getbak · 03-29-2023, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

OK but Makar was basically exonerated because he did not play CHL and the assault took place at a CHL gala, did it not?

No, it was a Hockey Canada event, which he attended (this photo from the event was posted earlier in this thread)...

The original reporting on this was that all the players involved were CHL players, which is why it's assumed Makar wasn't involved.

GioforPM · 03-29-2023, 06:29 PM

^ Yeah, it was some other player who didn’t attend at all and was out of the country.

powderjunkie · 03-29-2023, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

No, it was a Hockey Canada event, which he attended (this photo from the event was posted earlier in this thread)...

The original reporting on this was that all the players involved were CHL players, which is why it's assumed Makar wasn't involved.

What a diverse group. Hockey sure has come a long way.

Erick Estrada · 03-30-2023, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by powderjunkie

What a diverse group. Hockey sure has come a long way.

Weird. It's like you have never witnessed an NHL draft or something. There's lots of room for improvement but based on the countries the sport is widely played in it's not hard to understand why it's this way.

Azure · 03-30-2023, 08:06 AM

Even if you try to make the sport super supportive of all kinds of kids from different backgrounds getting involved, the money hurdle isn't exactly very easy to solve.

Erick Estrada · 03-30-2023, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Even if you try to make the sport super supportive of all kinds of kids from different backgrounds getting involved, the money hurdle isn't exactly very easy to solve.

The money hurdle is the biggest part IMO. Soccer is growing fast in this country because it doesn't really cost anything relative to hockey.