Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[peter12]

There’s over $80B in tax incentives for critical mineral development and manufacturing.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

What about increased spending on our military, and support for the things that increases our income e.g. support for our resource development e.g. raw materials needed for clean tech. Were they not listening to President Biden.

That was a dirty dirty tease flamesfever

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Liberals also chose to do nothing with the 2019 foreign interference in their candidate elections as well. Liberals doing nothing should never be a bar to use to measure reactions.

Liberals doing nothing doesn't suddenly mean that Global's sources are bad. Neither Globe and Mail or Global have seen the transcripts. Globe and Mail felt it wasn't enough to run the story without being able to confirm the allegation, Global felt it was enough to run the story on.

Let's say the actual request to delay the Michaels didn't happen, but everything else including meeting with a Chinese diplomat secretly (which Han Dong did not deny) occured.

Should Han Dong be an MP in our house of commons? Even without the Michael delay allegation being true, this is incredibly dubious with what we do know that has been corroborated. Han Dong has no business being in contact with a foreign diplomat like he did.

This is exactly why we absolutely need a public inquiry on this (if Han Dong is innocent, he should as well).

What is dubious, and why does he have no business being in contact with a foreign diplomat?

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Overall a concerning budget.

A 40 billion dollar deficit which is higher then projected, and now the promise to returned to a balanced budget in 4 years is gone.

Revenues are up as the Government increases taxation, so they increased their spending.

Another 40 billion on the fire with no end in sight. This government has increased taxes all over the place and still managed to almost double our national debt (613 billion to 1.18ish trillion) in 8 years. After all that spending are Canadians better off than they were before?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ped

Trudeau is terrible, but maybe don't meet with racists if you don't want to be accused of meeting with racists (and lie about knowing their racist).

You're absolutely right, but you can't really stand on a high horse as a Liberal when your PM literally meets with a terrorist in Atwell, his government gives money to a hate filled anti-semite and meets and poses for pictures with Nazi's (Parubiy).

I said that Lewis probably should have stepped down after meeting with Anderson, but at the same time the Liberals acting like this is a spike the football moment is the height of hypocrisy.

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Another 40 billion on the fire with no end in sight. This government has increased taxes all over the place and still managed to almost double our national debt (613 billion to 1.18ish trillion) in 8 years. After all that spending are Canadians better off than they were before?

The scary part is - government estimates are rarely correct. I am bracing for something in the $60 billion or more range.

Rebates for everything…..

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1640884285765832704

https://twitter.com/user/status/1640808407522496512

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Another 40 billion on the fire with no end in sight. This government has increased taxes all over the place and still managed to almost double our national debt (613 billion to 1.18ish trillion) in 8 years. After all that spending are Canadians better off than they were before?

That’s not quite the correct question to ask. It’s are they better of then they would have been.

Go to the extreme scenario of no intervention during Covid and consider what would have happened. So certainly better off than the do nothing scenario.

Could the 613 have been reduced to something more manageable? That’s probably true to.

It’s interesting you say the government has increased taxes. All I see is tax rebates and tax cuts.

Personal income tax - stays the same, GST tax rebates - up, Green energy tax cuts, liquor tax cuts, etc.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You're absolutely right, but you can't really stand on a high horse as a Liberal when your PM literally meets with a terrorist in Atwell, his government gives money to a hate filled anti-semite and meets and poses for pictures with Nazi's (Parubiy).

I said that Lewis probably should have stepped down after meeting with Anderson, but at the same time the Liberals acting like this is a spike the football moment is the height of hypocrisy.

Especially after other conservatives also met with a Nazi. This is not a Lewis thing, this is a conservative thing to meet with white supremacists. To blame Lewis alone is so unfair when multiple of her conservative colleagues also met with white supremacists.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Liberals also chose to do nothing with the 2019 foreign interference in their candidate elections as well. Liberals doing nothing should never be a bar to use to measure reactions.

Liberals doing nothing doesn't suddenly mean that Global's sources are bad. Neither Globe and Mail or Global have seen the transcripts. Globe and Mail felt it wasn't enough to run the story without being able to confirm the allegation, Global felt it was enough to run the story on.

Let's say the actual request to delay the Michaels didn't happen, but everything else including meeting with a Chinese diplomat secretly (which Han Dong did not deny) occured.

Should Han Dong be an MP in our house of commons? Even without the Michael delay allegation being true, this is incredibly dubious with what we do know that has been corroborated. Han Dong has no business being in contact with a foreign diplomat like he did.

This is exactly why we absolutely need a public inquiry on this (if Han Dong is innocent, he should as well).

What you describe (an MP talking to one of hundred of consulates in our country) is not dubious. What is dubious is Global relying on truthiness as a defence for their defamation.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1640995133674930180

https://twitter.com/user/status/1641068911406841856

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

The scary part is - government estimates are rarely correct. I am bracing for something in the $60 billion or more range.

Rebates for everything…..

But they balance themselves . . .

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1640995133674930180

https://twitter.com/user/status/1641068911406841856

Maybe one day you'll figure out how to embed tweets

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by chemgear

But they balance themselves . . .

Imagine a bucket of virtue and self righteousness, now imagine how much money it takes to balance that out on a scale

[monkeyman]

Justin once put on a play at West Point Grey Academy that came in 2 billion over budget. The costumes were ridiculous.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Another 40 billion on the fire with no end in sight. This government has increased taxes all over the place and still managed to almost double our national debt (613 billion to 1.18ish trillion) in 8 years. After all that spending are Canadians better off than they were before?

That’s the wrong question this time. With the context of the pandemic and projected job and business losses, the question isn’t “better than they were before” but “better than if the government had done nothing”. The answer to that is assuredly yes.

There has been too much waste, some instances verging on fraud that should be investigated, and the “missing” money, but all-in-all the spending prevented a bigger catastrophe in my opinion. Our economy did not crash and came back faster than anyone expected. That in itself provides justification for a large majority of what one-time programs and spending that was put in place.

[peter12]

So on the positive side, this budget provides a suite of good tax incentives that will help our clean tech economy remain competitive. It also will help fulfill our obligations to our allies.

Negative side? Our fiscal position is weakening steadily and dark times are looming. It also does not do nearly enough to address lagging productivity.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

The scary part is - government estimates are rarely correct. I am bracing for something in the $60 billion or more range.

Rebates for everything…..

Or, they play the Doug Ford game - announce huge spending in the budget so people are happy and approve the budget, then refuse to actually spend or release the money and end up with a surplus making other people happy.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by calculoso

That’s the wrong question this time. With the context of the pandemic and projected job and business losses, the question isn’t “better than they were before” but “better than if the government had done nothing”. The answer to that is assuredly yes.

Wait, what? No it isn't. Where did this false dilemma come from? The question is whether they're better than if the government had done something different that can be readily identified. The answer to that is not "assuredly yes"; there are many things that they obviously should have done differently.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Just choosing an entire segment with the name clean attached to it for a ton of subsidies doesn't fill me with security of the revenues that will ever come in from the clean energy segment. Also the disturbing thing is if a company wants to take advantage of these green subsidies they have to pay the prevailing union wages. So the subsidies will go to labor costs more then emissions reduction. And who in the application process decides on the wages?

There are times when programs have to proceed without a guaranteed payback due to the unknown or complicated nature of the topic. This is especially true in futuristic tech adventures, like investing in AI would have been years ago.

At least they are moving away from the “trickle down” / supply side economic theories and moving towards the demand side economic thinking - make sure people have money to spend and they assuredly will. Might not always be on things you want them to (ie: TVs vs Food) but it all feeds the economy, creates jobs, creates demand for businesses to fill, etc. No guarantees, but much better for the lower / middle class than tax cuts going into upper class investors pockets.