[Game Takes] Flames 2 Kings 1

[Bingo]

Flames 2 Kings 1

- Markstrom great
- Flames get goals from Mangiapane and Duehr
- Solid 60 minute game for the win

[Strange Brew]

The whole idea that you need indisputable evidence to overturn a call needs to be rethought IMO. This is true for all sports.

If you're going to stop the game for 5 minutes to review a call, then what you thought in the split second it happened shouldn't be the overriding factor. Yes it should be a factor, but you've already ruined the flow of the game.

The officials should make the decision based on what they think happened considering all available evidence at that point.

[Enoch Root]

Not often you can say that there were two goals waved off that both definitely should have counted.

Nonetheless, Markstrom won the goaltending battle, and that is why they won

[D as in David]

I'd have to see it again but I was pretty certain the stick was in on his skate and was a legit call.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Man I feel so out of the loop right now as this is the 2nd time over the last few days where i've had to ask....what's this about?

"If Darryl Sutter did take out being somewhat forced to dress Jakob Pelletier for his first game on the player it’s pretty inexcusable. I’ll say it again though, Seravelli seems to have a big Sutter hatred so you have to take it with a grain of salt."


What did Seravelli say?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Man I feel so out of the loop right now as this is the 2nd time over the last few days where i've had to ask....what's this about?

"If Darryl Sutter did take out being somewhat forced to dress Jakob Pelletier for his first game on the player it’s pretty inexcusable. I’ll say it again though, Seravelli seems to have a big Sutter hatred so you have to take it with a grain of salt."


What did Seravelli say?

Players (or ap layer) went to Sutter and said you should tell Pelletier when he will play his first game so his family can be there. And maybe the org backed said player (I'm not clear on that). So Sutter 's comments post game about "what number was he?" were a manifestation of his irritation with the organization messing with his authority over the lineup card.

That's my take on it at least.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The whole idea that you need indisputable evidence to overturn a call needs to be rethought IMO. This is true for all sports.

If you're going to stop the game for 5 minutes to review a call, then what you thought in the split second it happened shouldn't be the overriding factor. Yes it should be a factor, but you've already ruined the flow of the game.

The officials should make the decision based on what they think happened considering all available evidence at that point.

In this case TJ waved it off on the ice. No goal.

I was sitting in 204 right behind the goal and didn't see it go in. We couldn't really see the video board, so can't comment on what you all saw on TV.

That review took way too long. I get wanting to get it right, but it simply can't take that long.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The whole idea that you need indisputable evidence to overturn a call needs to be rethought IMO. This is true for all sports.

If you're going to stop the game for 5 minutes to review a call, then what you thought in the split second it happened shouldn't be the overriding factor. Yes it should be a factor, but you've already ruined the flow of the game.

The officials should make the decision based on what they think happened considering all available evidence at that point.

While I agree with you completely, this would only work in a world without bias. I'd hate to see how often the referees botch a call with absolute freedom and support / influence from the league.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

In this case TJ waved it off on the ice. No goal.

I was sitting in 204 right behind the goal and didn't see it go in. We couldn't really see the video board, so can't comment on what you all saw on TV.

That review took way too long. I get wanting to get it right, but it simply can't take that long.

I guess I'm saying that if you're going to take 5+ minutes to review a play and at the end you think "I'm pretty sure it's a goal. But since i didn't think it was a goal 5 minutes ago, I'm not going to change my mind" is kind of silly.

A video review means you get a chance to change your mind. Make the best decision you can at that point. It's not like you had "conclusive evidence" for the original call.

But the whole overturning a call requires conclusive evidence has become accepted practice in sports.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

In this case TJ waved it off on the ice. No goal.

I was sitting in 204 right behind the goal and didn't see it go in. We couldn't really see the video board, so can't comment on what you all saw on TV.

That review took way too long. I get wanting to get it right, but it simply can't take that long.

Took that long, and still got it wrong.

They showed it clearly going in on the telecast

[soulchoice]

With the Backlund line being around 53% now, is that a product of Huberdeau being on his line now? I admit, I haven’t been able to fully watch as many games without doing something else. Hence, I haven’t seen why that lines numbers are down vs any other Backlund combination this year.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It's not like you had "conclusive evidence" for the original call.

Without being able to talk to the ref after the game, I suspect that he shut the play down because he lost sight of the puck. You either see the puck or you don't. Conclusive evidence isn't a thing in that circumstance.

Not once did he ever look like he saw it go in. It's also important to note that no Flame player acted like they saw it in either.

Again, haven't seen any video of it, I'm just telling you what I saw and what I would have done in that situation. Ref was in the right spot at the right time and made a call. I had hung my skates up before video review was a thing at the Jr A/CIS level.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

With the Backlund line being around 53% now, is that a product of Huberdeau being on his line now? I admit, I haven’t been able to fully watch as many games without doing something else. Hence, I haven’t seen why that lines numbers are down vs any other Backlund combination this year.

I think so. Huby has loses a lot of 50/50 battles along the board, shys away from the corners and front of the net, floats around the offensive zone without being in a position to receive a pass, and then still somehow doesn't backcheck properly on the way back.

The only things he seems to do well consistently are
1) defensive zone breakouts
2) quick passes

He is actually complete ass and brings down whatever line he is on.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Flames 2 Kings 1

- Markstrom great
- Flames get goals from Mangiapane and Duehr
- Solid 60 minute game for the win

- Missed - 3 celc
- Missed OOT Winnipeg loss to Sharks who were on a 9+ losing streak.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I think so. Huby has loses a lot of 50/50 battles along the board, shys away from the corners and front of the net, floats around the offensive zone without being in a position to receive a pass, and then still somehow doesn't backcheck properly on the way back.

The only things he seems to do well consistently are
1) defensive zone breakouts
2) quick passes

He is actually complete ass and brings down whatever line he is on.

You should probably find a new sport. FFS.

Huberdeau is a superstar, he'll get his game but if you don't hope for it, maybe you should move on.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

- Missed - 3 celc
- Missed OOT Winnipeg loss to Sharks who were on a 9+ losing streak.

Sorry ... not sure I follow.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

you should probably find a new sport. Ffs.

Huberdeau is a superstar, he'll get his game but if you don't hope for it, maybe you should move on.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1640938985324425217

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

You should probably find a new sport. FFS.

Huberdeau is a superstar, he'll get his game but if you don't hope for it, maybe you should move on.

I don't think you can say he will find his game with any level of certainty at this point. We all hope he does. But given there have been zero signs of life over the course of the season, it is a long way from a guarantee that next year will be vastly different.

And by vastly I am talking going from 50pts to 80pts and factoring into the offense in a much more meaningful way on a game to game basis.

[GullFoss]

It is what it is. And it's incredibly disappointing after a night like yesterday where it feels like the entire team ex-huby is starting to fire on all cylinders. I've been optimistic on this team construction and Sutter's coaching all year. And we can continue to be hopeful on Huberdeau turning it around while having an negative assessment of his play.

We all hope he gets better and ive even said in other posts that Huby has had to deal with a lot with this transition to Calgary (new organization, new city, new level of scrutiny, new leadership, new coach, new linemates, etc), so his struggle is understandable from the human side of sports.

But nothing in my post isn't true. It's no coincidence Sutter is playing him with linemates who have really strong 200ft games.

[Naitix]

Pelletier or Coronato in for Ritchie, makes no sense for him to be gifted a top 9 spot he does nothing out there.