Sutter is the problem

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Look at his post first before posting a dumb gif.

Lighten up. And know when to stop.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yeah he's obviously a piece of trash but the point is you need a team in the coaches room and assistants to challenge thr head coach not just a yes man.

I get it you are upset about Sutter, most other people on this forum get it too. We are talking about long time educated fans. The question is why are you trying so hard to get people to dislike or hate Sutter? Are you not displaying the same kind of hurtful, hateful, vindictive attitude you are accusing Sutter of?

If you offered a more balanced assessment of the players involved and the coach maybe more people would take you more seriously. Going on and on everyday about all things Sutter seems like an unhealthy endever.

Think about this, no one on this forum has the power to hire or fire the coaches so why do you need to convince them to tag along with your mostly one sided narrative? You could try offering a bit more variety?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by CFO

Flames aren't looking bad for a retool. But need a new coach with younger players.

Wolf, coronato, zary, Peltier. All very sold building blocks.

As long as we don't plug the team with thr Lucic Lewis Richardson typecast vets and actually lean on guys like Kadri Backlund etc to be the older players and insert the younger guys weight have a LA like turnaround.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by CFO

Flames aren't looking bad for a retool. But need a new coach with younger players.

Wolf, coronato, zary, Peltier. All very sold building blocks.

I may disagree. They need franchise talent. Those are all good secondary pieces, with Coronato eventually hopefully being a 1st line talent. But we need that franchise player to build around and I don't think any of those guys are that guy. It would be like starting from Gaudreau again. Do it right and draft high.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I may disagree. They need franchise talent. Those are all good secondary pieces, with Coronato eventually hopefully being a 1st line talent. But we need that franchise player to build around and I don't think any of those guys are that guy. It would be like starting from Gaudreau again. Do it right and draft high.

Yeah, I mean those are nice prospects and potential NHL regulars, but every franchise has these types, and all of them are going to be graduating some of theirs as well. At best, the Flames keep pace with the teams around them as these prospects graduate.

The thing that sets teams apart when injecting youth are the top tier blue chip prospects. We have none. Hopefully someone surprises and exceeds expectations, but relying on luck isn't a strategy.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I may disagree. They need franchise talent. Those are all good secondary pieces, with Coronato eventually hopefully being a 1st line talent. But we need that franchise player to build around and I don't think any of those guys are that guy. It would be like starting from Gaudreau again. Do it right and draft high.

A bounce back from Huberdeau Mangiapane and Lindholm mixed with the young players puts us right back in the mix next season. Add in some youth and speed and hopefully production could push us over the top.

It doesn't feel like it now but Huberdeau is a elite player.

We might not have a clear cut #1 guy middle of the ice but if Kadri actually plays a team game we have a deep group with Backlund.

As much as that is banking on a lot going right a lot has gone wrong for us this season.

Feels like a dream from cup dreams goimg into the playoffs to complete shock and disarray now.

We also don't know our draft position we deserve some damn luck.

[SuperMatt18]

Sutter's system itself isn't neccessarily the problem...although I do think he could ease back the focus on shot volume to focus a bit more on quality.

The issues hurting the team this year in that regard hurt them under Sutter in 20-21 and in 21-22 outside of the top line as well.

His issue IMO seems to be more his player usage and line management, and just general personality off the ice. Also think he's stuggled to make adjustments since the Oilers series and teams have figured out if you rope-a-dope the Flames a little bit they can be susceptable to giving up odd man rushes.

Which is funny because in the Regular season last year they gave up the fewest odd man rushes, but since the Oilers series they've been super leaky. I still feel like there is something the Oilers exposed with the Flames transition defense in that series that teams have followed since.

[FlamesAddiction]

Listening to last night's episode of After Burner was pretty entertaining. Rhett just unleashed on everyone. He said that Sutter has mishandled a lot and needs to be better, but that was no excuse for players that haven't been showing up all season. He basically said Huberdeau is a loser and Sutter sucks. Maybe everyone is right.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Sutter's system itself isn't neccessarily the problem...although I do think he could ease back the focus on shot volume to focus a bit more on quality.

The issues hurting the team this year in that regard hurt them under Sutter in 20-21 and in 21-22 outside of the top line as well.

His issue IMO seems to be more his player usage and line management, and just general personality off the ice. Also think he's stuggled to make adjustments since the Oilers series and teams have figured out if you rope-a-dope the Flames a little bit they can be susceptable to giving up odd man rushes.

Which is funny because in the Regular season last year they gave up the fewest odd man rushes, but since the Oilers series they've been super leaky. I still feel like there is something the Oilers exposed with the Flames transition defense in that series that teams have followed since.

Good point!
There was a shift in our defensive structure this year too, huge emphasis on man to man in our own zone which would naturally translate to a different transition strategy
Yet another change that might make this year an anomaly?
At least till everything settles a bit

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Sutter's system itself isn't neccessarily the problem...although I do think he could ease back the focus on shot volume to focus a bit more on quality.

The issues hurting the team this year in that regard hurt them under Sutter in 20-21 and in 21-22 outside of the top line as well.

His issue IMO seems to be more his player usage and line management, and just general personality off the ice. Also think he's stuggled to make adjustments since the Oilers series and teams have figured out if you rope-a-dope the Flames a little bit they can be susceptable to giving up odd man rushes.

Which is funny because in the Regular season last year they gave up the fewest odd man rushes, but since the Oilers series they've been super leaky. I still feel like there is something the Oilers exposed with the Flames transition defense in that series that teams have followed since.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0fyENukMXB8

Here is a interesting interview with him right at the end talking about making changes to systems and details based on who we have.

The defensive zone isn't as quick and clean with a massive puck pressure emphasis which seems to have slowed down zone exits and I'm turn slowed down our offence with low quality attempts on net which may lead to players being out of position?

[red sky]

Nm

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Look at his post first before posting a dumb gif.

Just a suggestion: take a break from the site, post less, or think a little more.

Your shtick has become irksome and your continual argumentativeness annoying.

Just saying what I suspect many are thinking.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I may disagree. They need franchise talent. Those are all good secondary pieces, with Coronato eventually hopefully being a 1st line talent. But we need that franchise player to build around and I don't think any of those guys are that guy. It would be like starting from Gaudreau again. Do it right and draft high.

It’s possible Wolf is franchise level.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

It’s possible Wolf is franchise level.

Was at the Wranglers game tonight and even though the Gulls are bad I thought Wolf played extremely well. Definitely someone to get excited about. Hope he continues to perform and elevate his game to the NHL level.

[GaiJin]

We just need to find the right center to play with Iginla..
Same old , same old.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Sutter's system itself isn't neccessarily the problem...although I do think he could ease back the focus on shot volume to focus a bit more on quality.

The issues hurting the team this year in that regard hurt them under Sutter in 20-21 and in 21-22 outside of the top line as well.

His issue IMO seems to be more his player usage and line management, and just general personality off the ice. Also think he's stuggled to make adjustments since the Oilers series and teams have figured out if you rope-a-dope the Flames a little bit they can be susceptable to giving up odd man rushes.

Which is funny because in the Regular season last year they gave up the fewest odd man rushes, but since the Oilers series they've been super leaky. I still feel like there is something the Oilers exposed with the Flames transition defense in that series that teams have followed since.

Flames play a pretty aggressive forecheck and try to prevent entries at their own blue line, whch exposes them to a lot of odd man rushes if you can get by those two layers. There's not much room for error in that style, because if, say, Hanifin or Weegar try to break up the play at the blue line and miss, the offesnive players can go right by. and then the said defenceman gets roasted even though they've made the same play successfully a ton of times.

[Major Major]

Yes it's reliant on a consistent and fast back check, something Tkachuk and Gaudreau led the way on last year. This year, not so much

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

I seriously can’t handle this site sometimes.

Florida isn’t making the playoffs I don’t think.
We aren’t either.

But Tkachuk didn’t want to be here. Sutter didn’t help that. But Matthew said many times. I knew I was done after my last contract. He was mad.

I don’t care how good he looks. He isn’t winning them anything.

Huberdeau looks bad yes. But let’s give it another year before we label him a complete bust.

I don't doubt Sutter contributed, but i don't recall this. Not asking to prove, but i want to read that. Where did this come from?

I thought once he was eligible to receive calls from other teams, Tkachuk realized he wanted something else.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Flames play a pretty aggressive forecheck and try to prevent entries at their own blue line, whch exposes them to a lot of odd man rushes if you can get by those two layers. There's not much room for error in that style, because if, say, Hanifin or Weegar try to break up the play at the blue line and miss, the offesnive players can go right by. and then the said defenceman gets roasted even though they've made the same play successfully a ton of times.

It’s because of this I think the system requires strong skaters. Particularly at the Center and Defense positions.

[Flamesfan05]

He was done the moment he out weaseled Treliving for that last contract


He didn’t have to say it