03-23-2023, 11:53 AM
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#1061
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Lifetime Suspension
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The save % around the league is pretty crap the fact two playoff teams ahead of us have a worse save % is telling.
Not only that Sutter has always preached goals against, and it went from winning the Jennings to climbing in your own division. Well we have the 2nd best goals against in the division and sit outside of the playoffs.
So yes the goaltending has not be great, but other teams are getting by. Is that they are adapting to the changing times when the league is full of talent and scoring is going up and Sutter is trying to stay true to his methods that worked in 2012 and 2014?
We are 3rd last in goals for in the division.
The league looks to be shifting to a more goal driven league.
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03-23-2023, 11:55 AM
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#1062
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Even the best defensive structures are still going to allow a few grade A scoring chances in a game. You are rarely ever going to completely prevent a team from getting chances. Your goalie needs to be able to save more than 50% of those, but it seems like if it is a grade A chance, it usually ends up in the back of the net.
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03-23-2023, 11:57 AM
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#1063
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.
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03-23-2023, 11:57 AM
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#1064
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
The save % around the league is pretty crap the fact two playoff teams ahead of us have a worse save % is telling.
Not only that Sutter has always preached goals against, and it went from winning the Jennings to climbing in your own division. Well we have the 2nd best goals against in the division and sit outside of the playoffs.
So yes the goaltending has not be great, but other teams are getting by. Is that they are adapting to the changing times when the league is full of talent and scoring is going up and Sutter is trying to stay true to his methods that worked in 2012 and 2014?
We are 3rd last in goals for in the division.
The league looks to be shifting to a more goal driven league.
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Post #100!
Congratulations.
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03-23-2023, 11:57 AM
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#1065
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I believe in the Jays.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kitsilano
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Which is funny seeing how many odd man rushes and breakaways we give up almost every game. I don't care what the advance stats say, anybody who watches the games see it.
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Plugging your ears, closing your eyes and screaming it louder doesn't make it true.
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03-23-2023, 12:00 PM
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#1066
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I believe in the Jays.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kitsilano
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Even the best defensive structures are still going to allow a few grade A scoring chances in a game. You are rarely ever going to completely prevent a team from getting chances. Your goalie needs to be able to save more than 50% of those, but it seems like if it is a grade A chance, it usually ends up in the back of the net.
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Like the fact that this has to be explained is striking. I cannot remember a game where I havent seen odd man rushes or breakaways. It literally happens all the time.
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03-23-2023, 12:04 PM
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#1067
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I believe in the Jays.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kitsilano
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
The save % around the league is pretty crap the fact two playoff teams ahead of us have a worse save % is telling.
Not only that Sutter has always preached goals against, and it went from winning the Jennings to climbing in your own division. Well we have the 2nd best goals against in the division and sit outside of the playoffs.
So yes the goaltending has not be great, but other teams are getting by. Is that they are adapting to the changing times when the league is full of talent and scoring is going up and Sutter is trying to stay true to his methods that worked in 2012 and 2014?
We are 3rd last in goals for in the division.
The league looks to be shifting to a more goal driven league.
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Literally 1 year out from having scored the 6th most goals in the NHL.
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03-23-2023, 12:13 PM
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#1068
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damn onions
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
This just illustrates how difficult this summer will be for the Flames GM. If settling the coach thing is at the top of the list, then figuring out what to do with the goaltending situation is right behind it as I'm don't know if bringing both goaltenders back and hoping for them to turn things around is an option after what we have seen this season.
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This might be a bit rammy but if I was Dustin Wolf, and I was not guaranteed a chance to play with the Flames next season, basically, I would demand a trade.
Gotta capitalize on your chance to make millions when you can. If next season is less than stellar, he is risking a lot by not emerging into the NHL at this time.
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03-23-2023, 12:13 PM
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#1069
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Sec206
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Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under
Literally 1 year out from having scored the 6th most goals in the NHL.
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Sutter wins his first Jack Adams nine months ago and fans are ready to run him out of town? Mind boggling.
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03-23-2023, 12:14 PM
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#1070
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damn onions
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
The Flames have the 4th best expected goals against in the league. Only Carolina, Colorado, and Boston are better.
Pretty elite company, really.
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Is there a secondary playoffs I'm unaware of for teams with sweet advanced stats?
Reading this site you'd think it's what matters the most.
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03-23-2023, 12:28 PM
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#1071
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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If the Flames move on and make a coaching change I'd have to assume it will be an inexpensive one considering the money left owing to Darryl and any other previous coaching expenses that just came off the books (Peters, Ward etc)
So, Mitch Love it is. Which may be the best thing for the Flames. Who knows.
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03-23-2023, 12:30 PM
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#1072
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Eric Francis on the big show yesterday. Pretty interesting, but juicier bits start around 7:30. He knows more than he is saying.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/big-sho...s-locker-room/
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03-23-2023, 12:33 PM
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#1073
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
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He's been insinuating friction between Sutter and Treliving for at least 2 months now.
But just keeps saying "I don't want to talk about it until after the season".
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03-23-2023, 12:41 PM
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#1074
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Sutter should make a deal with the players. If they make the playoffs, he steps down after next season and forgoes the following season. If they win the Cup, he retires immediately. Maybe that will motivate them.
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03-23-2023, 12:44 PM
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#1075
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
The save % around the league is pretty crap the fact two playoff teams ahead of us have a worse save % is telling.
Not only that Sutter has always preached goals against, and it went from winning the Jennings to climbing in your own division. Well we have the 2nd best goals against in the division and sit outside of the playoffs.
So yes the goaltending has not be great, but other teams are getting by. Is that they are adapting to the changing times when the league is full of talent and scoring is going up and Sutter is trying to stay true to his methods that worked in 2012 and 2014?
We are 3rd last in goals for in the division.
The league looks to be shifting to a more goal driven league.
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This is interesting. To further the point, look at goal differential. The west playoff and wildcard teams all have at least a +15.
Vegas and Edmonton are +35 and +40.
Scoring makes up for a lot of deficiencies.
Flames have a +5.
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03-23-2023, 12:48 PM
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#1076
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
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Interesting that he says the franchise will be at a major cross roads in a matter of weeks. Not a hot take, but the way he says it does make it sound like the paths this franchise takes based on the season finish have already materialized.
Francis also inferred that ownership is learning (i.e. wouldn't spend a lot on a coach before, now spending it on Sutter). He mentioned that they wouldn't retool/rebuild, but wondering if they are realizing now that the way to a Stanley Cup is through the draft (tanking).
Should be an interesting off season!
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03-23-2023, 12:49 PM
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#1077
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under
Plugging your ears, closing your eyes and screaming it louder doesn't make it true.
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No, but the fact it happens every game does. Go back and read any GT and you will see comments about it. Fancy stats don't tell the story most of the time. If you have not seen this happen game in and game out you are obviously not watching and are talking out of your ass.
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03-23-2023, 12:49 PM
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#1078
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damn onions
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One thing I do hope happens is that if the Flames do decide to commit to a rebuild, people still buy tickets and support the team.
Fans gotta do their part too and that's often not talked about.
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03-23-2023, 12:50 PM
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#1079
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under
Like the fact that this has to be explained is striking. I cannot remember a game where I havent seen odd man rushes or breakaways. It literally happens all the time.
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It happens a lot with this team, way more than the norm. The team has talked about it, Sutter has talked about it, Steinberg and the media have talked about it, the board has talked about it. Yet you are right because fancy stats. 
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03-23-2023, 12:52 PM
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#1080
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jing
Interesting that he says the franchise will be at a major cross roads in a matter of weeks. Not a hot take, but the way he says it does make it sound like the paths this franchise takes based on the season finish have already materialized.
Francis also inferred that ownership is learning (i.e. wouldn't spend a lot on a coach before, now spending it on Sutter). He mentioned that they wouldn't retool/rebuild, but wondering if they are realizing now that the way to a Stanley Cup is through the draft (tanking).
Should be an interesting off season!
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Well, Treliving's contract is up. It's a crossroads no matter what.
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