Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Mr.Coffee]

That is treason and should be basically a jail sentence.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Every successive CPC leader seems to keep getting more and more right-wing. PP is playing footsies with far-right trolls regularly (e.g. Diagolon and convoy types).

Get a leader that comes back to the center, is pragmatic and courteous, respects Canadian democracy and understands that the world is changing both physically and culturally, and doesn't cozy up to to the fringe. I'd be happy to consider that option.

Do not believe this for half a second.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1638656312170147842

This is getting awesome.

That's disgusting...

"...Liberal MP Han Dong, who is at the centre of Chinese influence allegations, privately advised a senior Chinese diplomat in February 2021 that Beijing should hold off freeing Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, according to two separate national security sources.

Both sources said Dong allegedly suggested to Han Tao, China’s consul general in Toronto, that if Beijing released the “Two Michaels,” whom China accused of espionage, the Opposition Conservatives would benefit.

At the time, the two Canadians had been in Chinese custody for over two years...

...The Prime Minister’s Office said it only became aware of the two-year-old conversation following Global News’ inquiries about it....

...Concerns regarding the Dong communications were briefed up to CSIS management in Ottawa, the two sources said.

It remains unclear whether or not CSIS has ever conveyed them to the Prime Minister’s Office or anyone else in the federal government...."

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Do not believe this for half a second.

Well I guess that settles it then

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1638672872901349376

[CaptainCrunch]

Trudeau should have fired this mutt out of caucus when this first came up like the Ont PC's helped their problem out of the party caucus.

Probably without a cake.

Having this mutt tell the chinese to hold onto these two prisoners to help the Liberals iis disgusting, its treasonous, the families of the two Michaels should be filing suite tomorrow.


This really needs to push this out of the committees and special rapper field and right into a public inquiry and probably with an RCMP investigation against Dong.

[Firebot]

Man I really hate to interrupt the good old "CPC is a danger to society and must never be in power" soapbox deflection tactic that always happens whenever a discussion about a Liberal scandal gets some legs.

We have literal planted chinese agents within our government impeding the release of illegally detained Canadian citizens and our PM either enabled it or purposedly allowed it.

Can we can the silly deflections and discuss this instead of O'Toole?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Do not believe this for half a second.

I forgot how much better you know me than I know me. Are you a god?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Do not believe this for half a second.

Which part do you disagree with? I'd say that sums up most people's thoughts

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1638672872901349376

If true that's disgusting, and he should pay.

The logic doesn't make sense though, it would have been beneficial for the Liberal party to have the Michaels released during the election, not wait until after.


Didn't Pierre abstain on his own party's motion for an inquiry on Chinese interference just yesterday? There's weird stuff going on here.

[JohnnyB]

It's crazy to me to think all these people from CSIS are risking their careers and imprisonment, but not providing some real solid documentation and evidence to support their claims. Take Snowden as a comparison. He got himself out of the country with a trove of documents to share with the press in establishing the existence of PRISM etc. These ones in Canada are just having a chat with journalists and not even providing the recordings, transcripts or anything else? It seems awfully cavalier considering what they're risking and the likelihood of CSIS being able to identify them.

One way or another, all of this makes it look like there is some major disfunction at CSIS.

Also, too bad wikileaks is no longer a thing...

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Man I really hate to interrupt the good old "CPC is a danger to society and must never be in power" soapbox deflection tactic that always happens whenever a discussion about a Liberal scandal gets some legs.

We have literal planted chinese agents within our government impeding the release of illegally detained Canadian citizens and our PM either enabled it or purposedly allowed it.

Can we can the silly deflections and discuss this instead of O'Toole?

Come on now Firebor, the discussion hasn’t been about deflecting from what the liberals are doing. It’s been mostly people trying to explain to some folks who can’t figure out why people won’t vote CPC why they won’t in the hopes that CPC supporters will be vocal with the party so that the CPC will change their ways and maybe we don’t end up getting stuck with this kind of garbage for much longer.

I’m not sure why you find that so offensive.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

If true that's disgusting, and he should pay.

The logic doesn't make sense though, it would have been beneficial for the Liberal party to have the Michaels released during the election, not wait until after.


Didn't Pierre abstain on his own party's motion for an inquiry on Chinese interference just yesterday? There's weird stuff going on here.

New very serious allegations hot off the presses about a Liberal MP committing treason impacting Canadian citizens and already right back to what did the CPC / Pierre do / didnt do.

You guys seriously can't help yourselves with the ridiculous partisanship.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

New very serious allegations hot off the presses about a Liberal MP committing treason impacting Canadian citizens and already right back to what did the CPC / Pierre do / didnt do.

You guys seriously can't help yourselves with the ridiculous partisanship.

Should we start making wild allegations like the PM purposefully allowed this to happen?

Would that be more helpful?

[AFireInside]

This article from Global makes even less sense.

"Both sources said Dong allegedly suggested to Han Tao, China’s consul general in Toronto, that if Beijing released the “Two Michaels,” whom China accused of espionage, the Opposition Conservatives would benefit."

But then...

"Dong also allegedly recommended that Beijing show some progress in the Kovrig and Spavor cases, the two sources said. Such a move would help the ruling Liberal Party, which was facing an uproar over China’s inhumane treatment of Kovrig and Spavor."

So which is it? It benefits the Liberal party or it doesn't. If he contacted them and recommended some progress then I don't care about any of this.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9570437/l...haels-sources/

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Come on now Firebor, the discussion hasn’t been about deflecting from what the liberals are doing. It’s been mostly people trying to explain to some folks who can’t figure out why people won’t vote CPC why they won’t in the hopes that CPC supporters will be vocal with the party so that the CPC will change their ways and maybe we don’t end up getting stuck with this kind of garbage for much longer.

I’m not sure why you find that so offensive.

I don't think he finds it offensive as much as he's frustrated that other people consider the CPC to be as much of a disaster as the Liberals.

He's also not happy that people aren't talking about the latest scandal as much as he personally wants to.

The great thing about CP is there are posters advanced and capable enough to allow more than one topic in a thread.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Come on now Firebor, the discussion hasn’t been about deflecting from what the liberals are doing. It’s been mostly people trying to explain to some folks who can’t figure out why people won’t vote CPC why they won’t in the hopes that CPC supporters will be vocal with the party so that the CPC will change their ways and maybe we don’t end up getting stuck with this kind of garbage for much longer.

I’m not sure why you find that so offensive.

You (and others) don't need to explain why you won't vote CPC. No one is forcing you to vote CPC, heck I plan on voting NDP in the provincial election as the UPC is insufferable.

O'Toole, Poilievre, Sheer, Harper, pick your leader isn't the reason why you would not vote CPC. They as a party are ideologically just not compatible which is perfectly fine, and they are clearly going the wrong path of going center right now. The CPC has done nothing to get your vote.

But question the use the word 'criminal' of allegations, and why every single time a scandal arises, the discussion eventually always goes back to 'well that's bad, but let me tell you why I morally cannot vote CPC"

It's blatant whataboutism meant to abstain from actively criticizing 'your side' when frankly it should be about Canada.

[Fuzzy14]

It's crazy to me to think all these people from CSIS are risking their careers and imprisonment, but not providing some real solid documentation and evidence to support their claims. Take Snowden as a comparison. He got himself out of the country with a trove of documents to share with the press in establishing the existence of PRISM etc. These ones in Canada are just having a chat with journalists and not even providing the recordings, transcripts or anything else? It seems awfully cavalier considering what they're risking and the likelihood of CSIS being able to identify them.

One way or another, all of this makes it look like there is some major disfunction at CSIS.

Also, too bad wikileaks is no longer a thing...

I suspect they have provided documents to the news agencies to whom they have disclosed the information on the condition it never be released for fear the content of the documents would expose them.

As an example, if I'm one of three people on an email chain... I'm not going to release that publicly... pretty easy to tell who probably leaked.

[iggy_oi]

Can the mods make a poll asking people which of the 2 they think is more concerning, that an MP did this or that the 2 national security sources who would have clearly known about this for some time for some reason kept quiet about it until now when it’s literally their jobs to address these sorts of things expeditiously?

I would be very interested to see the results.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Firebot

New very serious allegations hot off the presses about a Liberal MP committing treason impacting Canadian citizens and already right back to what did the CPC / Pierre do / didnt do.

You guys seriously can't help yourselves with the ridiculous partisanship.

You can't see why that would be a question? If these allegations are out there, why wouldn't the leader of the opposition want an inquiry? Instead he just rants about how he wants an inquiry on twitter. It would be a slam dunk for Pierre to get this information out there.

I don't particularly like any of the parties if I'm being honest. Again, where is the logic in these allegations that keeping those two men in prison until after the election would benefit the Liberal party? It doesn't make sense, and if it's true I don't understand why the leader of the opposition would be abstaining from that vote.

I literally said if it's true there needs to be a punishment and it's disgusting, I'm not sure what else there is to say until this can be confirmed. Now as someone who thinks it's disgusting if true, wouldn't it make sense that I'd question why the opposition wouldn't want more information out there in the form of an inquiry so we can know exactly what happened? You need to learn that people questioning the actions of the party you support, isn't an insult to you, nor is it a defense of the liberal party. We know the Liberal party doesn't want the inquiry.

If Trudeau was in Pierre's position you'd be all over it, as you should be.

I'll say it again, there are weird things going on here.