Sutter is the problem

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Buff

That would be a rather entertaining circus show to see Sutter coaching Edmonton. McDavid is the boss. Sutter is the boss. Neither of them see eye to eye on how to play the game. The Oilers would reach new levels of no good.

Unfortunately Sutter is smart enough to know that no situation would work with Sutter and McDavid on the same team.

I also think, despite (or because) E=NG, that they'd bring in someone with McDavid's approval.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I also think, despite (or because) E=NG, that they'd bring in someone with McDavid's approval.

McDavid will be on a different team come the time Woody is put in the wood chipper.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

McDavid will be on a different team come the time Woody is put in the wood chipper.

The hockey world can only hope.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

McDavid will be on a different team come the time Woody is put in the wood chipper.

As an Edmontonian I'd be the first person to buy a non Oilers McDavid jersey to wear around town

[Ferarri]

My thoughts on Sutter have been clear that I personally like him, but obviously where there's smoke there's fire. Something is going to have to give.

But I'm surprised more people aren't upset with the players as they have essentially quit on the coach, which I translate to quitting on owners, management and most importantly fans. Hearing comments like we won't come back if he is the coach is just further proof how poor the characters on this team are. By all means share your feedback with Tre at the end of the year, or during the year in private but at the end of the day you don't get to make those calls. The information provided can be useful but your job is to play. Last night further proved that the team has quit and it's insulting to fans and people who pay money to support this team.

As far as Huberdeau and Kadri are concerned, I see them as the main culprits. It's also surprising that both guys knew the coach and his reputation before signing here so they should take blame as well since they knew his reputation and what he brings.

I can't confirm this whatsoever but my gut feeling is that they are more concerned with sacrificing the coach and not making the playoffs to justify their level of unhappiness. If this is true I would never want to cheer for these guys again let alone have them on my team. This is not the legacy of this organization or the kind of people that should be wear the Flaming C.

I've seen enough from Huberdeau to make me believe he isn't a guy you build around. Sure, if you want to make a coaching change because it's easier to do this then get rid of this anchor of a contract then go for it. But this guy should never be close to the captaincy or any sort of leadership position. If it comes out at the end of the year that players were sabotaging the coach I would personally stop supporting this team until those guys were gone. I expect more from the players I cheer for even if they are un-happy. There is better and more constructive ways to achieve a goal then to just quit.

[flames_fan_down_under]

I mean I can’t believe Sutter had the audacity to hold his players accountable and not gift ice time to perennial 50 point super star Nazim Kadri.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

I mean I can’t believe Sutter had the audacity to hold his players accountable and not gift ice time to perennial 50 point super star Nazim Kadri.

And forced our starting goalie to have a .891 save percentage.

Honestly if Sutter is gone gut everything. Treliving seems like a good guy but it ain't working here. If the team has fully quit to get the coach fired then get rid of everyone.

[AustinL_NHL]

I bet the Oilers would have a minimum 2 Finals appearances in 3 years under Sutter

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

I mean I can’t believe Sutter had the audacity to hold his players accountable and not gift ice time to perennial 50 point super star Nazim Kadri.

Sorry when did he hold people accountable? He’s done precisely the opposite this season actually.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Sorry when did he hold people accountable? He’s done precisely the opposite this season actually.

How so?

[MrSector9]

A guy like Sutter needs to realize that he is bringing nothing "new" to the table, and almost all coaches and players have studied his work/plays, as it is a winning formula.... The problem is with his success brings failure since everyone starts gunning for your game plan and a way to shut down your offence and get passed your defense.

He does not seem to evolve even within the same game, I have watched the flames get shut down on the exact same play OVER AND OVER not only in the same period but in the same game, meanwhile the other team starts to make changes to shut down the flames offense. Not hard to see when they normally start off great in a game and by mid second period the opposition shuts down their advance and starts picking away at their defense.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

How so?

Well, the better players have been sat or scratched in lieu of Milan Lucic until just recently. Literally every Wrangler brought up has outperformed vets. Kadri has been dog #### for 40 games and hasn’t seen a reduction in ice time until just recently. How about Markstrom?

I dunno, like, the million examples?

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Well, the better players have been sat or scratched in lieu of Milan Lucic until just recently. Literally every Wrangler brought up has outperformed vets. Kadri has been dog #### for 40 games and hasn’t seen a reduction in ice time until just recently. How about Markstrom?

I dunno, like, the million examples?

There's no winning with fan sentiment. The same people who complain that Kadri hasn't seen enough decline in ice time whine that Huberdeau isn't getting enough even though he has been dog #### as you put it.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Well, the better players have been sat or scratched in lieu of Milan Lucic until just recently. Literally every Wrangler brought up has outperformed vets. Kadri has been dog #### for 40 games and hasn’t seen a reduction in ice time until just recently. How about Markstrom?

I dunno, like, the million examples?

So healthy scratching Lucic and reducing Kadri’ ice time and having Pelletier a healthy scratch are not examples of holding players accountable? Or they are and are just too late? You want endless benchings at the first sign of trouble?

You want Markstrom benched in favour of a worse Vladar?

Pelletier got awarded top six time and a shift in OT and rewarded Sutter with a missed assignment in OT and the other team going the other way and scoring. Seems like these rookies actually do need to learn something.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

So healthy scratching Lucic and reducing Kadri’ ice time and having Pelletier a healthy scratch are not examples of holding players accountable? Or they are and are just too late? You want endless benchings at the first sign of trouble?

You want Markstrom benched in favour of a worse Vladar?

Pelletier got awarded top six time and a shift in OT and rewarded Sutter with a missed assignment in OT and the other team going the other way and scoring. Seems like these rookies actually do need to learn something.

It’s March 21. They just started those types of moves.

So, maybe there’s a sensible middle ground here.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

So healthy scratching Lucic and reducing Kadri’ ice time and having Pelletier a healthy scratch are not examples of holding players accountable? Or they are and are just too late? You want endless benchings at the first sign of trouble?

You want Markstrom benched in favour of a worse Vladar?

Pelletier got awarded top six time and a shift in OT and rewarded Sutter with a missed assignment in OT and the other team going the other way and scoring. Seems like these rookies actually do need to learn something.

Pettetier is definitely not an example of holding players accountable, its just how they are developing a young player (ie mistakes will be made)

Kadri ice time deduction is an example, however I have not seen to many this year.

Dube going to the 4th line a week ago or so, was just plain odd.

Lucic is a depth player, nothing more at this stage of his career.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

I bet the Oilers would have a minimum 2 Finals appearances in 3 years under Sutter

I dunno, I don’t think Leon and Connor would have a good time with Sutter and having to you know, back check.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

There's no winning with fan sentiment. The same people who complain that Kadri hasn't seen enough decline in ice time whine that Huberdeau isn't getting enough even though he has been dog #### as you put it.

There is winning with fan sentiment, as a coach you win. That is not happening.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

My thoughts on Sutter have been clear that I personally like him, but obviously where there's smoke there's fire. Something is going to have to give.

But I'm surprised more people aren't upset with the players as they have essentially quit on the coach, which I translate to quitting on owners, management and most importantly fans. Hearing comments like we won't come back if he is the coach is just further proof how poor the characters on this team are. By all means share your feedback with Tre at the end of the year, or during the year in private but at the end of the day you don't get to make those calls. The information provided can be useful but your job is to play. Last night further proved that the team has quit and it's insulting to fans and people who pay money to support this team.

As far as Huberdeau and Kadri are concerned, I see them as the main culprits. It's also surprising that both guys knew the coach and his reputation before signing here so they should take blame as well since they knew his reputation and what he brings.

I can't confirm this whatsoever but my gut feeling is that they are more concerned with sacrificing the coach and not making the playoffs to justify their level of unhappiness. If this is true I would never want to cheer for these guys again let alone have them on my team. This is not the legacy of this organization or the kind of people that should be wear the Flaming C.

I've seen enough from Huberdeau to make me believe he isn't a guy you build around. Sure, if you want to make a coaching change because it's easier to do this then get rid of this anchor of a contract then go for it. But this guy should never be close to the captaincy or any sort of leadership position. If it comes out at the end of the year that players were sabotaging the coach I would personally stop supporting this team until those guys were gone. I expect more from the players I cheer for even if they are un-happy. There is better and more constructive ways to achieve a goal then to just quit.

Sutter is at fault but so are the players. This season has really stained my view of Kadri and Huberdeau. Unfortunately, they're the cornerstone players (atleast by contract) of this team going forward. Not sure what the flames can do. Weird spot to be in as a fan.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by flambers

Pettetier is definitely not an example of holding players accountable, its just how they are developing a young player (ie mistakes will be made)

Kadri ice time deduction is an example, however I have not seen to many this year.

Dube going to the 4th line a week ago or so, was just plain odd.

Lucic is a depth player, nothing more at this stage of his career.

Yes so what's the issue with what I said? Sutter is looking to hold Kadri accountable, he reduced his ice time, and the result is complaining from the player and criticism of Sutter's methods? I see nothing wrong with reducing a players ice time to send a message.