What is the deal with Elliotte Friedman?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Well if keeping Sutter means Huberdeau and Kadri refuse to come back…

We have no idea if Kadri and Huberdeau are players who have said that. For Huby and Kadri, “#%^* it” - play them on the 4th line or in a system that turns them into a 50 point player, they’re still getting paid. Make use of them or not, that’s on the org.

Clearly those two are the guys who are already set career and life-wise…so what about other players who are trying to earn new contracts or are early in their careers?

[Manhattanboy]

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[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

So,

Seravalli.
Friedman.
Steinberg.

and now Boomer have all spoken on this. Here is Boomer on the Barn Burner this morning:



This isn't "what is the deal with Elliotte Friedman" this is "what is the deal with the Calgary Flames?"

Lanny tried to be subtle, but wasn't very subtle about a rift between Kadri and Sutter last night. It's more than smoke at this point.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We have no idea if Kadri and Huberdeau are players who have said that. For Huby and Kadri, “#%^* it” - play them on the 4th line or in a system that turns them into a 50 point player, they’re still getting paid. Make use of them or not, that’s on the org.

Clearly those two are the guys who are already set career and life-wise…so what about other players who are trying to earn new contracts or are early in their careers?

Huberdeau has provided a lot of cover for the team this year to be honest.

But really when you look at it Kadri, Tanev, Coleman, and Markstrom, have been visibly frustrated at times this year and have made media comments where they didn't seem happy with things.

This isn't a team of young players but Sutter constantly seems to treat them like "kids" which is a term he likes to use a lot.

Think it's wearing thin on the veterans on this team.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Lanny tried to be subtle, but wasn't very subtle about a rift between Kadri and Sutter last night. It's more than smoke at this point.

What was said on the Broadcast for those of us that um bailed early to do something more fun

[Manhattanboy]

Was something said late in the Dallas game? No Kadri in OT.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by yeah_baby

what was said on the broadcast for those of us that um bailed early to do something more fun

https://twitter.com/user/status/1638020661363851266

Edit; Oh Feck, that's not the whole interview. He just went on to talk about Kadri and mentioned he was used to Bednar who is one way and that Sutter was a "my way or the highway" kind of coach.

[FlamesAddiction]

No one has issues with Sutter if the team is winning and contending. It's only when losing that he becomes unbearable to some. At this point, he probably isn't the solution simply because this roster can't contend as it is constructed. Last season, he was the right coach at the right time, but with the roster upheaval, it's the opposite now.

The real root of the problem was having to deconstruct the top line that was one of the best lines in the NHL over the past couple of decades. How and why this happened needs to be discussed more, but make no mistake, this is largely a roster problem. If Markstrom was playing at least average for most of the season, this is likely a playoff team and I am sure players would have no issue putting up with Sutter because winning cures all.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No one has issues with Sutter if the team is winning and contending. It's only when losing that he becomes unbearable to some. At this point, he probably isn't the solution simply because this roster can't contend as it is constructed. Last season, he was the right coach at the right time, but with the roster upheaval, it's the opposite now.

The real root of the problem was having to deconstruct the top line that was one of the best lines in the NHL over the past couple of decades. How and why this happened needs to be discussed more, but make no mistake, this is largely a roster problem. If Markstrom was playing at least average for most of the season, this is likely a playoff team and I am sure players would have no issue putting up with Sutter because winning cures all.

Maybe.

Or Maybe the coach was part of the reason that that top line isn't here anymore.

It's for sure a reason Tkachuk isn't here anymore.

It might be part of the reason Gaudreau isn't here anymore either.

So maybe winning doesn't cure all because winning the division last year didn't seem to want to keep those guys here. Hell Gaudreau took less money to go to Columbus of all places.

[OILFAN #81]

If the Kadri rumors are true then a team like the Islanders should be interested and Calgary could explore that avenue. They were the team other than Calgary who was willing to sign him in the summer. Calgary went 7 x 7. Islanders were offering slightly more (rumor was 7.25). Kadri said specifically that another team offered him more.

The better option though based on what the rumors are (only if they are true which I don't know), would be to get a new head coach.

Just my opinion.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe.

Or Maybe the coach was part of the reason that that top line isn't here anymore.

It's for sure a reason Tkachuk isn't here anymore.

It might be part of the reason Gaudreau isn't here anymore either.

So maybe winning doesn't cure all because winning the division last year didn't seem to want to keep those guys here. Hell Gaudreau took less money to go to Columbus of all places.

The reason Tkachuk isn't here any more is because he was bridged to a short term deal. If you believe Tkachuk, there was a point that he was willing to sign a long term deal but the deal couldn't get done, therefore he took a bridge. As a player, I am sure the lack of faith management showed probably affected his long term desire to stay. He apparently also wanted to be captain, which isn't something a player wants if they are counting the days until they leave. Then there was the time some team mates asked him to tone down his play.

To me, Tkachuk's disillusion with the Flames looks more like a player feeling like he wasn't getting the respect he deserved from the franchise overall. Sutter may have played into it, but I think the decision was likely 90% made before Sutter was even in the picture.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

If the Kadri rumors are true then a team like the Islanders should be interested and Calgary could explore that avenue. They were the team other than Calgary who was willing to sign him in the summer. Calgary went 7 x 7. Islanders were offering slightly more (rumor was 7.25). Kadri said specifically that another team offered him more.

The better option though based on what the rumors are (only if they are true which I don't know), would be to get a new head coach.

Just my opinion.

That ship has sailed, they acquired Horvat.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If you believe Tkachuk, there was a point that he was willing to sign a long term deal but the deal couldn't get done, therefore he took a bridge.

And he said it was to keep the team together. So all to keep Frolik who they got rid of anyway.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

So,

Seravalli.
Friedman.
Steinberg.

and now Boomer have all spoken on this. Here is Boomer on the Barn Burner this morning:



This isn't "what is the deal with Elliotte Friedman" this is "what is the deal with the Calgary Flames?"

Agree. I still wonder how much of Sutter's style affected Gaudreau and Tkachuk leaving.

They each had great years under Sutter, but I have to think that when each of them wrote down their pro/con list of signing in Calgary, Sutter wasn't in the "pro" column.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Here’s the video of the Boomer quote:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1638247791725015043

[Vinny01]

Barnburner needs to be quicker on getting the show uploaded on Spotify

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The reason Tkachuk isn't here any more is because he was bridged to a short term deal. If you believe Tkachuk, there was a point that he was willing to sign a long term deal but the deal couldn't get done, therefore he took a bridge. As a player, I am sure the lack of faith management showed probably affected his long term desire to stay. He apparently also wanted to be captain, which isn't something a player wants if they are counting the days until they leave. Then there was the time some team mates asked him to tone down his play.

To me, Tkachuk's disillusion with the Flames looks more like a player feeling like he wasn't getting the respect he deserved from the franchise overall. Sutter may have played into it, but I think the decision was likely 90% made before Sutter was even in the picture.

I agree with this. I feel Sutter's impact to his decision to leave wasn't the main piece. Contribute sure, but there was other aspects that want him to go elsewhere.

[Manhattanboy]

Wonder if Gio still being here would have made a difference.

[Erick Estrada]

It's entirely possible that Darryl is fed up as well and decides he's going to retire. I don't think it's about money for him and he could simply decide he's had enough. Really though if it's more than just Huberdeau and Kadri that don't want to play for him I don't see a solution that works with him remaining behind the bench.

[Ashasx]

I mean, is there a more Sutter-esque player than Tanev? And he looks the most frustrated on the entire team. He had that interview a couple weeks ago where he kept repeating that he's a leader in the room. It's just weird stuff.