Sutter is the problem

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Having played on numerous teams/sports (never hockey) since I was 6 I will say that as far as coaching is concerned, regardless of the sport, players play within a system, man to man vs. zone as an example. I can honestly say that I never really liked any of my coaches all the way to playing for Calgary Saracens in my early 20's. In every case/sport coaching brings a system in and adapts the system to personnel/strengths/weaknesses to enable the team to win or at least compete. Managements job is to look to the future to enable the team to win or at least compete. My take on Sutter is it's his way or the highway and that just don't play well with pretty much any team. Now, I don't know Edwards at all and have never worked within his system but I do know folks that know him pretty well and with Murray, it is his way or the highway so there is that.

Sutter’s idea and owners mandate was probably to accomplish success in a short time. This probably means cutting corners when building player relationships and getting them to buy in. Seems like he hasn't recovered from losing a pair of elite players. I think Sutter watched those players before he was brought in and was to his advantage. Some of his moves though have been baffling. Interesting what you say about coaching, player relationships and the coaches objectives. I guess coaches have find ways to work with younger, older and some overpaid egos. Can't be an easy job.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Just needs around 23 more to get into the playoffs.

But the coach and PW don't get along, PW should be on the 4th line doing time and buying in.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

But the coach and PW don't get along, PW should be on the 4th line doing time and buying in.

No...no...he needs his own thread!!!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Martin St. Louis

He seems to have a good thing going in Montreal. They were expecting to struggle no matter what, so he likely has a lot of rope still. I wouldn't want to jump in the frying pan in Calgary.

I am not convinced that Sutter is the problem, but I can see why he may not be the solution either, but one name I would throw out there that I think the Flames or any other team should consider is Mark Recchi. He was both a hard working and skilled player who was a great leader on the ice. He was an assistant in Pittsburgh and has now played a part in New Jersey's resurgence. I believe he also has ties to Western Canada.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by chedder

Don't know why people keep saying this. He has two more years as Montreal's head coach making $3 million per season.

Why would he quit that to come here, most likely make less money and have to deal with meddling owners.

Its only the one guy. I just did a search on the forum. It's just Yikes bringing him up. Maybe Yikes could explain why he wants Montreal's rookie coach to be hired as the Calgary Flames GM because it's confusing everyone.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by saillias

Its only the one guy. I just did a search on the forum. It's just Yikes bringing him up. Maybe Yikes could explain why he wants Montreal's rookie coach to be hired as the Calgary Flames GM because it's confusing everyone.

1) He is an up tempo player/coach.
2) He came out of the Quebec system (see above).
3) He knows what it feels like to be mis-used as a smallish guy in the Flames system.
4) He played for Jon Cooper for years.
5) He knows what it takes for smaller/faster/creative players to make it and probably has an eye for that talent.
6) If offered the job, Montreal would not stand in his way.

Might be part of the next wave of fresh faces in the GM positions league wide. Maybe the Flames could be proactive for once. Or should we hire Don Mahoney???

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Yikes

1) He is an up tempo player/coach.
2) He came out of the Quebec system (see above).
3) He knows what it feels like to be mis-used as a smallish guy in the Flames system.
4) He played for Jon Cooper for years.
5) He knows what it takes for smaller/faster/creative players to make it and probably has an eye for that talent.
6) If offered the job, Montreal would not stand in his way.

Might be part of the next wave of fresh faces in the GM positions league wide. Maybe the Flames could be proactive for once. Or should we hire Don Mahoney???

Sounds perfect for a GM role.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Sounds perfect for a GM role.

Try to somehow break the "Jurassic Park Flames" mould that seems to be set. As I have said before, the Flames are the blue box of the NHL...they recycle. If there is a change at GM I fully expect Mahoney or Sutter at GM. It's just how they roll.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Sounds perfect for a GM role.

Hey man, it’s either him or Don Mahoney, who Google tells me is the offensive line coach for the University of Tennessee football team.

Not great pickings.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Try to somehow break the "Jurassic Park Flames" mould that seems to be set. As I have said before, the Flames are the blue box of the NHL...they recycle. If there is a change at GM I fully expect Mahoney or Sutter at GM. It's just how they roll.

Have you evaluated the 32+ assistant GMs and all others being groomed for such a role? Or going for player name recognition? Why not Iginla?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hey man, it’s either him or Don Mahoney, who Google tells me is the offensive line coach for the University of Tennessee football team.

Not great pickings.

Sounds perfect! He can help with our offensive line combinations! Lets get him.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Have you evaluated the 32+ assistant GMs and all others being groomed for such a role? Or going for player name recognition? Why not Iginla?

Just a feeling? Why Briere? Most GM's with any kind of a resume will not come here, we already know this.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Sounds perfect! He can help with our offensive line combinations! Lets get him.

Little slip on one letter there...oh well. Have fun with it children.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Just a feeling? Why Briere? Most GM's with any kind of a resume will not come here, we already know this.

I said AGM. Most GMs are already GMs and aren't going to lateral.

Originally Posted by Yikes

Little slip on one letter there...oh well. Have fun with it children.

We adults are having fun with it.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by just_tim

Your argument might hold weight if the Flames were going to make the playoffs, then possibility of which dims daily. I could go into all the arguments stated by many posters here, but realistically, Sutter has in no way elevated anyone’s game, which may be an acceptable outcome if the team is getting positive results, but this year’s team is not. A good coach gets the best results, team and players, from the players he has at his disposal. That’s simply not the case for anyone on this year’s team.

So we want to be the Oilers? McDavid goes out gets his 150 and Leon gets his 120 and they score 60 goals each but play the game the wrong way.

Their going to make the playoffs and maybe they win come playoffs, but I doubt they will win it all because their team is still being coached and the team plays a game that is more about padding stats then winning games, especially winning come playoff time.

IMO Sutter probably deserves to get fired but it doesn't change much if Huberdeau wants to play his fancy game. That will not cut it come playoff time no matter who the coach is.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Try to somehow break the "Jurassic Park Flames" mould that seems to be set. As I have said before, the Flames are the blue box of the NHL...they recycle. If there is a change at GM I fully expect Mahoney or Sutter at GM. It's just how they roll.

If you don’t count Burke who was always interim, 2 of the 3 GM’s over the last 20 years were first time GM’s.

Would you prefer someone brand new to the sport of hockey?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Sounds perfect! He can help with our offensive line combinations! Lets get him.

Why? Who is offended?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

In my wildest dreams, I’d want to see Calgary do what Montreal is currently doing. They’re “rebuilding” with key faces in key places. St. Louis and Lecavalier are at the heart of it.

I don’t think Sutter is leaving - I think the owners will see to that. So with that in mind my dream scenario is:

President of Hockey Operations: Darryl Sutter or Craig Conroy
General Manager: Craig Conroy or Darryl Sutter
Head Coach: Jarome Iginla
Assistant Coach: <good coach to back Jarome up>

Flames <ANNOUNCE> that the team is getting younger and building a new era (and never actually say “rebuild”).

Iginla becomes the face of the franchise again, and he helps usher in a youth movement - and the owners knowing that people will back a franchise that is led by Jarome and other Calgary “04 celebrities” actually allow the Flames to take their time and build a team around young stars without rushing.

and no, I don’t think this is going full Oilers. Iggy and Sutter are of a different quality than the rubbish they did.

The dream.

That’s not a dream, that’s a fever nightmare.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Huberdeau’s career playoffs pace is 66 points spread over 82 games. Not all that far off from his current pace this season. Pressure may not be his thing.

It does tell a story does it not? He went from 1.44 ppg in the regular season to 0.5 ppg in the playoffs last year. That probably rang some alarm bells for Bill Zito who instead of re-signing this guy, shocked the hockey world by trading him with a 1st and Weegar.

I mean, the Florida GM of all people would know him best right? It's certainly what I noticed when I watched a few of his games after the acquisition. He struggled to make plays in tight quarters, didn't check well, his movement around the ice was uninspired. But then you'd see a heck of a play out of the blue that resulted in a no look, spinning highlight reel assist and you'd think, ok, that's the type of magic he has in him.

But again, for Huberdeau, it's very situational. He's not the same type of playmaker Gaudreau is who use to skate around and create/force openings. Huberdeau almost has to wait and then pounce when he sees the opening and I think therein lies the problem. In the playoffs, there aren't a lot of openings, no time or space, everything is congested and his spin passes that use to work end up on the stick of the opposition instead. At least, that's my "off the top of my head" theory.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

It does tell a story does it not? He went from 1.44 ppg in the regular season to 0.5 ppg in the playoffs last year. That probably rang some alarm bells for Bill Zito who instead of re-signing this guy, shocked the hockey world by trading him with a 1st and Weegar.

Tre didn't notice this?