Carson Briere, (Flyer's GM son) pushes disabled woman's wheelchair down stairs at bar

[Reggie Dunlop]

Other dxxxxbag was a lacrosse team member

https://www.yourerie.com/news/pennsy...ign=socialflow

[Monahammer]

Despicable behavior. More, continuing evidence that dude bro culture needs to get shot in the back of the head.

Also remarkable how perverse it got in this thread. I can't recall a more dramatic and surprising heal turn from a poster. What the actual hell was that.

Some of the people who were passing defenders I expected, but the main thrust was jilting. I can't tell if it's just genuine, profound ignorance that led to OOCs statements in this thread or revelation of deep unyielding sociopathy.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

https://twitter.com/user/status/1636198893804191748]

But I was told she hit the jackpot with the money that was raised for her? Man, all these money grabbing disabled people I tell ya.


EDIT: Lamo her twitter handle is _legless_wonder. And her description is "getting back on my feet".

[Yeah_Baby]

The bar should also be more accessible for what it's worth.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

The bar should also be more accessible for what it's worth.

Are there any bars in Calgary where the 2nd floor is wheelchair accessible ? Do some have elevators (can’t think of any off hand)

Putting elevators in those establishments is basically impossible due to cost and logistics

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Are there any bars in Calgary where the 2nd floor is wheelchair accessible ? Do some have elevators (can’t think of any off hand)

Putting elevators in those establishments is basically impossible due to cost and logistics

I understand this, but if we're rightly talking about how difficult our society is for wheelchair users, I thought it was worth mentioning. The lack of universal design is a huge issue.

[Muta]

As someone who works in the design and construction world, accessibility and inclusivity upgrades are becoming a very, very big (and good) thing (and high priority). There's so many buildings and facilities out there that require accessibility upgrades, it's nuts. The good thing is that accessibility consulting is now becoming the norm on design teams (whereas even five years ago it was rare), and in Canada designers can get their Rick Hansen accessibility certification, which is a qualification in modern accessible and inclusive design. The other good thing is that lots and lots of new infrastructure is getting built now with proper and sufficient accessibility and inclusivity features. It is being taken very seriously in this line of work.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Are there any bars in Calgary where the 2nd floor is wheelchair accessible ? Do some have elevators (can’t think of any off hand)

Putting elevators in those establishments is basically impossible due to cost and logistics

The Unicorn on 8th has several floors. They do have service elvators, but you'd have to ask to use them. I suspect this is the deal with most places - they need service elevators to bring kegs up etc.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Muta

As someone who works in the design and construction world, accessibility and inclusivity upgrades are becoming a very, very big (and good) thing (and high priority). There's so many buildings and facilities out there that require accessibility upgrades, it's nuts. The good thing is that accessibility consulting is now becoming the norm on design teams (whereas even five years ago it was rare), and in Canada designers can get their Rick Hansen accessibility certification, which is a qualification in modern accessible and inclusive design. The other good thing is that lots and lots of new infrastructure is getting built now with proper and sufficient accessibility and inclusivity features. It is being taken very seriously in this line of work.

Good post, as someone who worked in road construction until very recently it was also becoming SOP to have accessibility ramps for all of the parking lots we prepped. Sounds like a no brainer, but talking to guys who have been around for decades, these are relatively new changes. It will take time before all new infrastructure has full accessibility but you can see that it's headed in the right direction in Canada at least.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Sydney will need increasingly sophisticated (and more expensive) chairs as she gets older. "Paying it forward" now by helping others is a remarkable gesture.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Are there any bars in Calgary where the 2nd floor is wheelchair accessible ? Do some have elevators (can’t think of any off hand)

Putting elevators in those establishments is basically impossible due to cost and logistics

The issue isn’t really that some floors aren’t accessible, it’s that the bathrooms aren’t.

Accessible entrances/exits and main floor bathrooms are more important, I think. There really only needs to be access to upper or lower floors if that’s where something like a bathroom (the only bathroom) is located.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

The bar should also be more accessible for what it's worth.

The bar touched on that. Building is circa 1905 and pre-ADA.

Perhaps this is something that the Briere's can do, beyond replacing the wheelchair - put in a stair lift or something like that. In time, she may be able to do those stairs herself, depending on her prosthetics (she lost her legs in an accident in 2021), but a stair lift would benefit her until that time, and many others.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Minnie

The bar touched on that. Building is circa 1905 and pre-ADA.

Perhaps this is something that the Briere's can do, beyond replacing the wheelchair - put in a stair lift or something like that. In time, she may be able to do those stairs herself, depending on her prosthetics (she lost her legs in an accident in 2021), but a stair lift would benefit her until that time, and many others.

Apparently, there's also prohibition-era tunnels and an escape chute. Maybe the chute can be utilized on *****bag patrons like Carson Briere.

At any rate, the organizer of the gofundme (and the man in the photo) is the bar's manager. I'm pretty sure they will be independently taking steps to improve accessibility in the wake of of the publicity.

[undercoverbrother]

Wow what a bumpy ride this thread has been.

[Philly06Cup]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And yet the impact is exactly the same.

As I said, you can either view it as a malicious act or an act so devoid of good judgement that the only conclusion you can make is that Briere is a complete idiot, and it doesn’t really matter. What do you, personally, win in ensuring everyone understands it’s one and not the other. Aren’t you the one losing the plot at this point if that’s what you think is important?

The broken legs analogy is victim-focused, not perpetrator focused, that’s why you and a couple others had trouble with it. Destroying a wheel chair for someone who requires a wheelchair restricts their mobility. It can be life changing in a negative way. They are expensive and if custom are difficult/time consuming to acquire.

Take yourself out of Briere’s shoes (not sure why you prefer to be in them in the first place) and put yourself in the victim’s. Now think about how this effects you.

It's not about empathizing with the perpetrator. I would agree that these actions have far deeper ramifications than property damange or a minor incovenience. I would strongly agree that a wheelchair is an extension of a handicapped person. I would strongly agree that a disabled opinions on the matter holds more weight on the matter. It's about the "breaking someone's legs" analogy being too outrageous and wanting to point that out. And because a disabled person made this extreme analogy, it's more important to call out.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

It's not about empathizing with the perpetrator. I would agree that these actions have far deeper ramifications than property damange or a minor incovenience. I would strongly agree that a wheelchair is an extension of a handicapped person. I would strongly agree that a disabled opinions on the matter holds more weight on the matter. It's about the "breaking someone's legs" analogy being too outrageous and wanting to point that out. And because a disabled person made this extreme analogy, it's more important to call out.

It's just not outrageous at all. A very very modest exaggeration, at most. But, it's really really important to call out very modest exaggerations, so thanks for your crusade.

[Philly06Cup]

Then we can politely agree to disagree on this very civil forum.

On the topic of empathy, I think we can all have more empathy for the victim. The majority of posts here are just calling Briere names. Piece of crap, piece of garbage, dbag, piece of sheet, donkey. We can all focus more energy on sympathy / support / understanding on the victim instead of rage against the perpetrator.

I think it's great that someone in a wheelchair shared their view. I am sad that it was, to me, too extreme and only stoked more outrage.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Muta

As someone who works in the design and construction world, accessibility and inclusivity upgrades are becoming a very, very big (and good) thing (and high priority). There's so many buildings and facilities out there that require accessibility upgrades, it's nuts. The good thing is that accessibility consulting is now becoming the norm on design teams (whereas even five years ago it was rare), and in Canada designers can get their Rick Hansen accessibility certification, which is a qualification in modern accessible and inclusive design. The other good thing is that lots and lots of new infrastructure is getting built now with proper and sufficient accessibility and inclusivity features. It is being taken very seriously in this line of work.

The CMHC has been handing out $300M in funding for new construction projects and a huge portion of that money is given out based on accessibility.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

It's not about empathizing with the perpetrator. I would agree that these actions have far deeper ramifications than property damange or a minor incovenience. I would strongly agree that a wheelchair is an extension of a handicapped person. I would strongly agree that a disabled opinions on the matter holds more weight on the matter. It's about the "breaking someone's legs" analogy being too outrageous and wanting to point that out. And because a disabled person made this extreme analogy, it's more important to call out.

I’m not sure saying you think that a “disabled person’s opinion on the matter weighs more” is believable when you follow it up by saying that you felt an even greater need to call out their “outrageous” opinion because they are disabled. If a disabled person’s opinion on the matter weighs more, you might try actually listening to that opinion when they’re kind enough to share it with you and giving some effort to understand it, instead of just dismissing it as outrageous.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

I would strongly agree that a wheelchair is an extension of a handicapped person.

I would strongly agree that a disabled opinions on the matter holds more weight on the matter.

It's about the "breaking someone's legs" analogy being too outrageous and wanting to point that out. And because a disabled person made this extreme analogy, it's more important to call out.

Uh-huh.