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[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Loyalty.

Loyalty beyond reason or logic is just stupidity

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

If that's what's going on...can't see it happening frankly.

Edwards isn't gonna pee away a bunch of cash to Sutter unless he wants to make him POHO, and drop in a new GM and coach of his choosing. Can't imagine that.

Don't think we're getting what we want.
On the other hand, Edwards isn't getting any of MY cash for this crap.

Ya what to do now as a season ticket holder?

I guess what we always do. Write the cheque.

Hopefully will have priority seats in the new building but that seems like a lifetime from now.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Loyalty beyond reason or logic is just stupidity

Hey - I didn't say I agreed!!

[FiveSeven]

I miss when I thought Sutter was a genius.
Now he just seems dumb, stubborn, and a jerk.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Mangiapane will be fine. His struggles are shooting percentage related.

19-20: 15.6%
20-21: 19.8%
21-22: 18.9%
22-23: 8.5%

When a guy is shooting half of his career average shooting percentage the last thing you do is sell low on him. He had 4 shots and 3 scoring chances tonight.

I like Mangiapane’s game, even though he’s not really scoring.

Now I don’t think you will see him approach those shooting percentage numbers ever again. A career average of 12 or 13% would still be spectacular. To suggest he should average out at double his current percentage is totally unrealistic.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by zamler

If true what do they see that we don't.

They see millions of dollars evaporating to pay a guy for two years to do SFA.

At least doing SFA is less damaging that what Sutter has done to this team.

[blender]

I've been trying to be objective and not get emotional about these repeated failures, but it is beyond disappointing at this point.
They need a complete reset as the execution is simply not there. They have zero presence through the middle of the ice, actually, less than zero as they are giving it up so easily.
Painful to watch.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

how realistic are those first 3 years though? I always thought he was a really fortunate player

He dominated the O, dominated the A, and is the only reason why a bunch of guys have World Championship gold medals. He’s got an elite track record of scoring goals in bunches. This year is definitely the anomaly.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Ya what to do now as a season ticket holder?

I guess what we always do. Write the cheque.

Hopefully will have priority seats in the new building but that seems like a lifetime from now.

Hard decision. I had to make that when I moved to BC. Tried hanging on to my seats and selling them (or giving them away here on CP). Couldn't continue to do so and finally just quit. Team wasn't good enough for the investment.

If I were looking at that keep/dump decision as a STH today, I'd do the same thing. Just don't want to support that kind of idiocy that we've now come to accept as the norm for this team.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Edwards cannot be dumb enough to hand the keys to Sutter.

You just invested 80 million into a player and look at the coach destroying him.

Look at how he left the organization in tatters last time.

They seem stuck on 2004. Time to move on

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I'm warming up to huby (if he can just clean up the NZ giveaways) but we shouldn't have touched Kadri with a 20 foot pole, nor signed those extensions in the fall

Wait, see and reevaluate was the right approach

[zamler]

What is Sutter loyal to. Help me out.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Edwards cannot be dumb enough to hand the keys to Sutter.

Wonder what the line is on that?

[Sandman]

Sutter has hinted a few times that he doesn't agree with how the team is built. He's also said that the depth guys who were signed in the summer didn't do their jobs, which was to push the vets. Sounds to me like he holds Tre responsible for how this year has gone.

I would be very surprised if Tre signed another contract to work here. Why would he?

[ben voyonsdonc]

This is exactly the Sutter hockey that I worried about when he was signed. Thankfully we had one fun season before this grind.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by zamler

What is Sutter loyal to. Help me out.

"The owners"...."unfinished business".

But he does not appear to be capable of delivering.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by zamler

What is Sutter loyal to. Help me out.

They are saying the onwers are loyal to Sutter over Treliving.

Kind of like Sutter is loyal to Lucic over Huberdeau

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by zamler

What is Sutter loyal to. Help me out.

His nutty, rigid and outdated thoughts.

*Sutter nod* yup.. that's what he's loyal to

[zamler]

We are so screwed.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

He dominated the O, dominated the A, and is the only reason why a bunch of guys have World Championship gold medals. He’s got an elite track record of scoring goals in bunches. This year is definitely the anomaly.

15-20% shooting seems unlikely though IMO