[PGT] Flames defeat Ottawa 5-1

[mile]

Sutter also praised Huberdeau and Kadri for having good games last night

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by mile

Sutter also praised Huberdeau and Kadri for having good games last night

What a monster!

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It isn't a compliment and lose the attitude.

He is talking about a right shot right wing who scored 600 plus goals in a hall of fame career.

Huberdeau said if I was a shooter playing the off wing would be ideal but I am a pass first player who prefers to play on the left wing.

He also scored through the middle of the ice not the right wing and it wasn't a snipe he tipped in a pass.

I apologise if you feel like I was giving you attitude, I was simply disagreeing.

I just didn't see it as anything other than Sutter saying essentially that :
- it was a nice goal
- it doesn't matter what side you play on as long as you are putting yourself in a position to score, like great players in the past have done

[zamler]

This is the thread to celebrate that we won, isn't it?

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by zamler

This is the thread to celebrate that we won, isn't it?

Nah, it’s so Paulie Walnut can act like a fake tough guy ######.

[HighLifeMan]

Huberdeau knows far more about the intricacies of the position and what it takes for him to personally feel at his best and most productive than anybody else. I think it's extremely ignorant of not only Sutter but us as fans to believe that a player should transition with ease or succeed in a position he hasn't played at with any regularity. The fact that Sutter made that decision without communicating with the player and let it ride for months on end is truly perplexing and points to a major flaw in Darryl's approach.

It's also quite the contradiction as Darryl has stated on multiple occasions in the past that certain players (Tkachuk and Mangiapane) play significantly better on certain sides.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Nah, it’s so Paulie Walnut can act like a fake tough guy ######.

Lol ok I am a fake tough guy.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Huberdeau knows far more about the intricacies of the position and what it takes for him to personally feel at his best and most productive than anybody else. I think it's extremely ignorant of not only Sutter but us as fans to believe that a player should transition with ease or succeed in a position he hasn't played at with any regularity. The fact that Sutter made that decision without communicating with the player and let it ride for months on end is truly perplexing and points to a major flaw in Darryl's approach.

It's also quite the contradiction as Darryl has stated on multiple occasions in the past that certain players (Tkachuk and Mangiapane) play significantly better on certain sides.

Communication works both ways. If the player was so distraught about playing on his off side then he could have talked to the coach, or even the assistants if he didn't feel comfortable. Would Darryl have listened? Perhaps not but at least stand up for yourself. Rather he's too busy using his agent as the communicator through cheap twitter insults. Even at the beginning of the year he admitted that him and Darryl don't talk. That's a failure on both the player and the coach. He always seems to deflect and take no responsibility. And this post isn't saying the head coach isn't equally as responsible. There should be dialogue and both need to grow up.

[Beninho]

I’ve been a bit removed from this season, but I need to understand something. The Flames went the whole season playing JH on the wrong side and only now moved him back to his natural wing? If true, that is the most Flames decision ever. Jesus

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I’ve been a bit removed from this season, but I need to understand something. The Flames went the whole season playing JH on the wrong side and only now moved him back to his natural wing? If true, that is the most Flames decision ever. Jesus

30 or so games, close to 3 months but not the whole season

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Toonage

30 or so games, close to 3 months but not the whole season

And he and they were playing amazing all of those 30 games!

It was definitely the right call to keep the lines stagnant for months while our playoff chances wilted.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

And he and they were playing amazing all of those 30 games!

It was definitely the right call to keep the lines stagnant for months while our playoff chances wilted.

There were many failings along the way this season. This was absolutely one of them.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

And he and they were playing amazing all of those 30 games!

It was definitely the right call to keep the lines stagnant for months while our playoff chances wilted.

Square peg round hole. The Calgary Flames motto it seems

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

And he and they were playing amazing all of those 30 games!

It was definitely the right call to keep the lines stagnant for months while our playoff chances wilted.

I think this whole left/right side has been blown out of proportion. Since January 1 (rough estimate as to when he switched sides as I was going off of a posters 3 month range) he has 19 points. From the beginning of the year till Jan 1 he had 25 points (I guess last night's two points could be moved to the other column)

This is just further proof that he hasn't exceled in any given situation or position.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Its interesting to see how some people saw Sutter's comment as a compliment and others (even the Barnburner crew) saw it as a dig.

I woudn't suggest most people saw it as a compliment.

Yeah those guys are never negative lol

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

I think this whole left/right side has been blown out of proportion. Since January 1 (rough estimate as to when he switched sides as I was going off of a posters 3 month range) he has 19 points. From the beginning of the year till Jan 1 he had 25 points (I guess last night's two points could be moved to the other column)

This is just further proof that he hasn't exceled in any given situation or position.

And this LW/RW situation is Sutter in a nutshell.

He's basically right that it doesn't matter a lick on the offensive side of the puck. It's on the player to create and he's not stuck in a lane out of his own zone.

But the way he presents this to the player (reportedly) and the media (gruff and mocking) is just so damn ugly.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah those guys are never negative lol

No, not always.

In this case they saw it as Darryl being Darryl. And given his history of sarcastic / dry comments to media its sometimes hard to not see what he says as a subtle dig. Even if it isn't intended as such.

Personally I can't watch his pressers without looking for the message within the message. Even if I don't want to, I still find myself wondering.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Communication works both ways. If the player was so distraught about playing on his off side then he could have talked to the coach, or even the assistants if he didn't feel comfortable. Would Darryl have listened? Perhaps not but at least stand up for yourself. Rather he's too busy using his agent as the communicator through cheap twitter insults. Even at the beginning of the year he admitted that him and Darryl don't talk. That's a failure on both the player and the coach. He always seems to deflect and take no responsibility. And this post isn't saying the head coach isn't equally as responsible. There should be dialogue and both need to grow up.

But once that incident with the agent got out in the open, JH had a very good game saying it "fired him up". Where was that effort before and after? It's like I said once before if it was iggy, he would take it as a challenge start a fight, take his game to the next level. Johnny G and Iggy could take the game over, that's why they got paid. JH didn't really have a leadership role in Florida, he needs to stop being passive and be the leader out there rather than vent to his agent. Sutter may have put him on the other wing out of his comfort zone to challenge him, Of course he is going to get praised by Sutter if he steps up his game.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He's basically right that it doesn't matter a lick on the offensive side of the puck. It's on the player to create and he's not stuck in a lane out of his own zone.

I wouldn't say that's true at all. A lot of chances for high skilled players come off the rush. Players are taking the shortest path to the offensive zone on the majority of rushes because there is back pressure, so you're going to end up on your positional side off the rush more times than not. After that, sure, they'll move around and create as they see fit, but that's discounting a lot of the time they get with the puck to create high danger opportunities.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

We need good games from huberdeau and Kadri for the last 16 to even have a sniff

That's not a large body of work given how many nights they've coasted through thus far

Can they do it? Or do they take Arizona lightly tomorrow and coast again