Sutter is the problem

[dammage79]

If a coach can't get your players going what's the point? I'm tired of the coaching carousel but we've also had so much player turn over that coaching consistency lands back at zero.

This Era of Flames hockey has only one player left , Backlund. Not saying he's the issue but it kind of circumvent the argument that one stable coach is the answer. Not anymore. You have 7,8 years locked into new players, the last of your previous core is up for new contracts, coaching consistency mean squat right now.

[Teroy]

Outshot the opposition again. Can't score but it'd all Sutter's problem? Give me a break.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That and this has got to be one of the least desirable GM seats in the league.
BT is widely respected. If he's the one that chooses to go, that sends a terrible signal to the rest of the league and other GM candidates.

So we will end up with someone inexperienced or a re-tread who will take anything they can get.

I'm at the point where I'm starting to think Treliving may leave the Flames as this isn't an ideal situation for a GM. He wanted full autonomy but I don't think he has that with Sutter as head coach. He can't be happy that Sutter ran Valimaki out of town and can't be happy with how he's handled the roster this season especially Huberdeau as it's unfathomable that he's not been paired with Lindholm for more than the first 6 games of the season. How does that happen?

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm at the point where I'm starting to think Treliving may leave the Flames as this isn't an ideal situation for a GM. He wanted full autonomy but I don't think he has that with Sutter as head coach. He can't be happy that Sutter ran Valimaki out of town and can't be happy with how he's handled the roster this season especially Huberdeau as it's unfathomable that he's not been paired with Lindholm for more than the first 6 games of the season. How does that happen?

Sutter put Valamaki on waivers?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Glen Gulutzan was nipping at his heels I'd argue. Mainly due to strength of roster. Gulutzan screwed up the development of players, and wasted what should have been some of the best years of that Flames era.

Isn’t it totally amazing how often coach and GM incompetence, specific to the Flames, seems to derail players and/or team success? This issue has existed for as long as this forum has existed, at least.

What’s also incredible is that there are many posters here who seem to know about coaching and management in the NHL like the back of their hand. And these people, presumably, also have full time jobs and some also have families.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Nelson

It’s not ALL on Sutter. I was wrong to say Sutter is THE problem. He is not working with an elite roster, and he has no game-breakers (with Huberdeau at this level), and he has had terrible goaltending. The goaltending is still the number 1 factor. But Sutter is a negative contributing factor because he overplays older, slower players, i.e. the 4th line, and benches players like Walker Duehr. He has also been inflexible by not separating Kadri and Huberdeau. He also has the team wound too tight.

I can get behind this for sure !

[Buff]

The problem is Huberdeau. He is a very talented player and he has chosen to not use his talent for this coach. He never wanted to be here, his mind was made up before he came. He signed the contract knowing full well that he can determine his next location and he came here and has not put in effort to help the team. His attitude is tearing the locker room apart.

What kind of a player goad from scoring over 100 points in a season to probably not even getting 50? A disengaged player. Huberdeau is the problem, he has been the entire season.

[CFO]

Originally Posted by Buff

The problem is Huberdeau. He is a very talented player and he has chosen to not use his talent for this coach. He never wanted to be here, his mind was made up before he came. He signed the contract knowing full well that he can determine his next location and he came here and has not put in effort to help the team. His attitude is tearing the locker room apart.

What kind of a player goad from scoring over 100 points in a season to probably not even getting 50? A disengaged player. Huberdeau is the problem, he has been the entire season.

Guy is a pure passer. Can't get assists with no finishers or a smothering style of play.

[musth]

Has anyone got a complete list of office personnel from Tree on down to the associate coaches and who does what

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Buff

The problem is Huberdeau. He is a very talented player and he has chosen to not use his talent for this coach. He never wanted to be here, his mind was made up before he came. He signed the contract knowing full well that he can determine his next location and he came here and has not put in effort to help the team. His attitude is tearing the locker room apart.

What kind of a player goad from scoring over 100 points in a season to probably not even getting 50? A disengaged player. Huberdeau is the problem, he has been the entire season.

This is just blatantly wrong. Huby definitely wanted to be here. The guy has been a consistent 80-100 point player, you think he forgot how to suddenly play? It is the system.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Buff

The problem is Huberdeau. He is a very talented player and he has chosen to not use his talent for this coach. He never wanted to be here, his mind was made up before he came. He signed the contract knowing full well that he can determine his next location and he came here and has not put in effort to help the team. His attitude is tearing the locker room apart.

What kind of a player goad from scoring over 100 points in a season to probably not even getting 50? A disengaged player. Huberdeau is the problem, he has been the entire season.

Any proof he's tearing the locker room apart?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Isn’t it totally amazing how often coach and GM incompetence, specific to the Flames, seems to derail players and/or team success? This issue has existed for as long as this forum has existed, at least.

What’s also incredible is that there are many posters here who seem to know about coaching and management in the NHL like the back of their hand. And these people, presumably, also have full time jobs and some also have families.

Not sure how many experts are on here, but the Flames are losers. You just need to watch the games to know that. So the GM and the Coach have created a losing team. Maybe it is the hope that a team could be a winner that makes people think better is possible.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Not sure how many experts are on here, but the Flames are losers. You just need to watch the games to know that. So the GM and the Coach have created a losing team. Maybe it is the hope that a team could be a winner that makes people think better is possible.

I’m gonna cut Sutter some slack, if you want to blame some people for creating a loosing team you look at Edwards and Tre.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I’m gonna cut Sutter some slack, if you want to blame some people for creating a loosing team you look at Edwards and Tre.

Sutter has made the playoffs 33% of the time since he came back. It is not all on him.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I’m gonna cut Sutter some slack, if you want to blame some people for creating a loosing team you look at Edwards and Tre.

Sutter is the dude not playing Ruzicka or Duehr in favour of Lucic and Lewis. Sutter is the guy slapping Lucic in the top 6, demoting Dube down the lineup in favour of Ritchie. Sutter is the guy putting the best LW'er in the league last year on his off-wing in favour of Looch and Ritchie.

Sutter gets no slack.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Outshot the opposition again. Can't score but it'd all Sutter's problem? Give me a break.

Not many quality shots in there. Playing Lucic/Lewis a regular shift in the last 10 minutes when down a goal is idiotic

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by CFO

Guy is a pure passer. Can't get assists with no finishers or a smothering style of play.

That’s not entirely true.

Huberdeau is on pace for something near career lows for shooting % and number of shots. That’s on him.

If he had lots of shots but low % I could buy the idea that the style is an issue. Sutter preaches shots. If he had his normal shooting % I could buy the idea he just has no one to play with.

Dude has just been bad. Same as Markstrom. That’s the season.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I’m gonna cut Sutter some slack, if you want to blame some people for creating a loosing team you look at Edwards and Tre.

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Sutter has made the playoffs 33% of the time since he came back. It is not all on him.

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Sutter is the dude not playing Ruzicka or Duehr in favour of Lucic and Lewis. Sutter is the guy slapping Lucic in the top 6, demoting Dube down the lineup in favour of Ritchie. Sutter is the guy putting the best LW'er in the league last year on his off-wing in favour of Looch and Ritchie.

Sutter gets no slack.

Only reason I say he gets some slack is he’s a proven winner and last year they did have success. But I still think he won’t be the coach next year. Just have to wait in the off season.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Sutter has made the playoffs 33% of the time since he came back. It is not all on him.

Edwards who has allowed this team to max spend every year? Tre who replaced 2 high producers with 2 more? The coach is the one sitting a guy like PHILLIPS for 9 games after a call up, taking Ruzizka out despite him being at almost a point a game. Pushing Dube down to 4th line despite the fact he was producing? Playing Lucic almost 10 minutes a game despite his underlying numbers being horrendous? Playing musical chairs with goalies for most the season instead of seeing if Markstrom could play his way out of it earlier? After starting 5-2 changing the lines up. Playing a system where guys get burnt out by the second half of the game because the play “keep it on the boards”.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I don’t really get what the point of this post is. It’s almost like over time things change……….. hmmmm…….

Agreed, also at the time literally everyone was saying "this coach has a 3 year shelf life" and everyone in the hockey world was saying "this coach has a 3 year shelf life" and then what happened?

The org gave him a 2 year extension after a season and a half. Almost everyone liked the original hiring, with the caveat of his shelf life. Less of us liked the extension. These screenshotted "this you" style of post is just the way social media is now. If you had an opinion in 2018 you better have the same opinion in 2023.