Huberdeau was fine tonight. Being stapled to Kadri is killing his game. Huberdeau is on a completely different level of play than Kadri and it is painfully obvious. Just this game he made some really heady plays then rolled to open ice where Kadri had an easy opportunity to move the puck back to Huberdeau for an easy scoring opportunity. Kadri instead tried to beat multiple players rather than move the puck against the grain. They just play different games and it is painful to watch. I mean, it's obvious to everyone watching this team except for the guys behind the bench.
I saw one instance of this in the 3rd where Huberdeau passed it to Kadri where he skates to the right point, while Huberdeau slips past his defender and made himself available for a return pass on the left slot...wide open with a clear passing lane that Kadri could clearly see.
What does Kadri do? He shoots it at the net where both Ritchie and a defender are in front, hoping for a screen shot or a tip. The shot is blocked by that mass of humanity and the puck goes the other way. Huberdeau had an easy tap in if Kadri makes the right play.
This could be a factor of Kadri following the coach's game plan too, or it's just really poor awareness. Either way, this #### is simply not working.
__________________
"You know, that's kinda why I came here, to show that I don't suck that much" ~ Devin Cooley, Professional Goaltender
Last edited by Cali Panthers Fan; 03-11-2023 at 08:20 AM.
Reason: sloppy writing
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Cali Panthers Fan For This Useful Post:
It is fascinating how it genuinely appears that fans on a message board/social media actually are smarter than the ones making the decisions on the ice and in the front office.
Is it due to tunnel vision? How can everyone see Huby/Kadri don't work, and is killing the team, but Sutter can't?
PP2 performs better than PP1. Why is that? Sutters general philosophy in how to play I think is overall fine, but his line deployment is incredibly incompetent.
I saw one instance of this in the 3rd where Huberdeau passed it to Kadri where he skates to the right point, while Huberdeau slips passed his defender and made himself available for a return pass on the left slot...wide open with a clear passing lane that Kadri could clearly see.
What does Kadri do? He shoots it at the net where both Ritchie and a defender are in front, hoping for a screen shot or a tip. The shot is blocked by that mass of humanity and the puck goes the other way. Huberdeau had an easy tap in if Kadri makes the right play.
This could be a factor of Kadri following the coach's game plan too, or it's just really poor awareness. Either way, this #### is simply not working.
That play was a tap in for Huberdeau. The passing lane was about 4 feet wide. Kadri took a 47 foot wrist shot into traffic. I laughed out loud.
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Aarongavey For This Useful Post:
Kadri is more frustrating for me than Huberdeau. He had Huberdeau wide open for a tap-in and took a long shot. He has no vision, his passing is horrible.
Kadri also made an incredible pass to Huberdeau after drawing 2 Ducks to him, spinning to his backhand with a no-look pass to Huberdeau all alone in the slot only for Huberdeau to freeze and wait too long to try and deke. He drew a penalty but should have scored or got any sort of shot off.
I see a lot of "Kadri can't pass", but guarantee he makes a good to great pass every game. Huberdeau's poor passing is what kills me primarily given that is supposed to be his an elite ability of his.
The Following User Says Thank You to AC For This Useful Post:
This is NOT going to happen regardless of position in the standings. The next chance young players get will be in training camp. Phillips is done with Calgary. He's going to be a class VI UFA and will go somewhere he thinks may give him an opportunity. So the Flames aren't wasting a callup on a guy that isn't in their plans yet still may contribute to a championship in the minors.
You’re probably right about Phillips, and you’re probably right about the young players generally. But if the Flames are out of it, which they would would be if they lose 4-5 in a row, a premise of my statement, then there’s no reason not to play the young players for development. It would be a mistake not to.
The Following User Says Thank You to Nelson For This Useful Post:
Look at all the high skill plays. The speed the Panthers attack with - how they all attack the middle of the ice.
Huberdeau isn’t the problem on this team.
Darryl Sutter and the slow, old, mediocre roster is. You could not pick a worse coach, worse system, and worse line mates for a player like Jonathan Huberdeau. Just a terrible combination, and yeah…I’m done with Darryl Sutter hockey. It is garbage. I’m not sure why we’d even defend it either - he got out coached by that Just for Men guy in Edmonton in the playoffs.
You nailed it.
Florida allowed east/west hockey and Johnathan was easily and still is one of the best east/west forwards in the NHL.
Sadly Daryl insists on north/south and dump & chase style hockey so it’s exactly why Huberdeau has looked so out of joint. Completely different system than what he’s been elite at for his whole career.
What a joke.
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Royle9 For This Useful Post:
Kadri also made an incredible pass to Huberdeau after drawing 2 Ducks to him, spinning to his backhand with a no-look pass to Huberdeau all alone in the slot only for Huberdeau to freeze and wait too long to try and deke. He drew a penalty but should have scored or got any sort of shot off.
I see a lot of "Kadri can't pass", but guarantee he makes a good to great pass every game. Huberdeau's poor passing is what kills me primarily given that is supposed to be his an elite ability of his.
He didn't make a incredible pass he waited to long and Huberdeau was in tight at that point to finish and his hands got hacked.
You have blinders on if you think Kadri makes incredible plays every game he is the sole reason that line sucks and Huberdeau isn't doing anything.
If you think it's Huberdeau you are watching a different game.
Hopefully he’s working on a plan to have his client announce his retirement because that’s the only way we are going to get out from under this boat anchor of a contract to end all boat anchors of contracts.
Treliving has ####ed this team for years to come.
Yep, because Darryl has an extension.
Allan Walsh's insanity tweet rings as true tonight as it did when he tweeted it originally.
The Flames system is trash, and when coupled with this mediocre roster you get the results you deserve.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GullFoss
Honestly...I watch the package and compare it to the flames this season, and think the difference is the player playing like complete ass this season.
Sutter has a quick shelf life. Apparently for Huby, the Sutter shelf life it's 0 games because he sucked from day one. And relative to his ability, he has has sucked more than any other player on the team.
I wouldn't be surprised if Huby just doesn't like Calgary and isn't adjusting well. Cant handle the pressure of a hockey market after being in low pressure Florida his entire career. Can't handle being the big man here after hiding behind Barkov and Ekblad in Florida. Can't handle the $10.5m contract.
Great guy, but just can't handle the pressure. Maybe that's why no one within the organization is calling him out. Why the response to his agent was so muted.
Maybe he's just not meant for this kind of market.
I just don't see it. I don't see a player who "can't handle the pressure". I see a coach who believes his team is underskilled, and is coaching to limit the imapct of skill on both sides of the puck. Risk management up front in hopes of playing mistake free hockey on the backend. Had they got league average goaltending, Sutter would have found some level mediocre success with it as well as the Flames would comfortably be in a playoff spot...but I just don't see this brand of hockey finding success in the playoffs either.
Sutter's line construction and player utilization is terrible. His line matching is non-existent. The powerplay is terribly coached (Muller?). Both of our goalies have plummeted this season.
When this many things go wrong in one year, you do have to look at everything. I think the team is underskilled and the team is poorly coached. Blaming any one individual is a bad way of looking at it, because one player doesn't carry a team or even a line.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Ritchie was a terrible line, but Sutter ran it as long as the Flames were "in it". Once they were out, they shutdown Monahan and then Sutter ran Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk to great success (and even greater success the following season). Sutter seems to have this stupid idea that you can play good players with terrible ones (not meant to be a shot at Mony, but he was terrible after his body broke down).
Last edited by ComixZone; 03-11-2023 at 08:39 AM.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ComixZone For This Useful Post:
Kadri also made an incredible pass to Huberdeau after drawing 2 Ducks to him, spinning to his backhand with a no-look pass to Huberdeau all alone in the slot only for Huberdeau to freeze and wait too long to try and deke. He drew a penalty but should have scored or got any sort of shot off.
I see a lot of "Kadri can't pass", but guarantee he makes a good to great pass every game. Huberdeau's poor passing is what kills me primarily given that is supposed to be his an elite ability of his.
No one says Kadri can’t pass. They say he won’t, or doesn’t very often.
Yes, you can point out a time he made a pass to Huberdeau and Huberdeau (maybe) didn’t do well with it (although he was hooked making a backhand move). But there’s plenty more examples where he doesn’t find Huberdeau, despite the latter being open and in good position.
And it’s not just with Huberdeau. Watch Kadri in OT, when puck possession is key and you need to retain rather than just wire open shots at the goalie.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to GioforPM For This Useful Post:
Huberdeau is playing so much better now that he was the first ~40 games, if he had a competent left handed shooter that can one time the puck, Huby easily gets 2 primary assists last night and we are all talking about how great of a passer he is.
I honestly can't believe how bad Kadri is at one timing the puck, he just refuses to do it, like if you insist him playing with Huby then they should be staying 20 minutes after practice and doing one timers. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that Kadri's hands are busted and he cant take one timers, cuz I can't believe that such a skilled player can not one time the puck!
The Following User Says Thank You to Naitix For This Useful Post:
If they do this, I want to see all the legit prospects get significant playing time. Zary plays big minutes. Give Matthew Phillips 10 games with legit players. Tell Wolf that he’s going to play a few in a zero pressure situation for his continued development. And of course, if and when Coronato is signed, get him into the lineup or at least into the AHL for the playoffs.
It would be nice if they could send them all down for their playoffs. Pelletier, duehr and gilbert too.
Contracts being what they are, getting rid of Sutter is the only real option. You can't move Huberdeau anytime soon and get anything close to value; same goes for Kadri. There are more options for a new coach than there are trade partners for those deals.
Huberdeau and Kadri are going to be here for a while, like it or not. Best to find them a coach who is more flexible and allows them to do what they did to be successful in the past.
The annoying part is that everyone knows that him and Kadri have no chemistry, and it is not going to come. They think about the game in different languages literally and figuratively. The fact that the coaching staff thinks they can work together and forces it for the last ~40 games is absurd. Here are some reasons why those two should not be playing with each other.
- Kadri can not one time the puck, east-west one timer passes is what Huby does, if he does not have a finisher of those passes, what the point.
- Have those two connected for any type of play? I feel like Pelts and Huby had double/triple etc of plays and displays of chemistry in 10 games than Huby and Kadri in 40 games.
- Kadri is a puck hog and does not see his teammates, Huby's game is about predicting the play and finding open areas, that is hard to do when your line mate has vision of a PeeWee player. Do not get me wrong, I like Kadri but he should be playing with simpler players
- Kadri can not make a pass a quick pass and slows down the game too much in the neutral zone. Huy prefers quick transition but that is hard to do when Kadri decides to go for skate instead of making a 10-15 foot pass.
The Following User Says Thank You to Naitix For This Useful Post:
Kadri also made an incredible pass to Huberdeau after drawing 2 Ducks to him, spinning to his backhand with a no-look pass to Huberdeau all alone in the slot only for Huberdeau to freeze and wait too long to try and deke. He drew a penalty but should have scored or got any sort of shot off.
I see a lot of "Kadri can't pass", but guarantee he makes a good to great pass every game. Huberdeau's poor passing is what kills me primarily given that is supposed to be his an elite ability of his.
I am sure being on his off wing has hurt Huberdeau’s ability to pass. He is on his backhand most of the time.
Kadri is a way more frustrating player for me. This team needs a Tkachuk type to get them going sometimes, he does nothing. Backlund gets in to more scrums than him. His ability to see his teammates just doesn’t seem to be there for me. Sure he maybe makes a good pass a game, guessing he tries to carry it through everyone and lose it or end up in the corner more than once a game.
Kadri also made an incredible pass to Huberdeau after drawing 2 Ducks to him, spinning to his backhand with a no-look pass to Huberdeau all alone in the slot only for Huberdeau to freeze and wait too long to try and deke. He drew a penalty but should have scored or got any sort of shot off.
I see a lot of "Kadri can't pass", but guarantee he makes a good to great pass every game. Huberdeau's poor passing is what kills me primarily given that is supposed to be his an elite ability of his.
Kadri can pass, he is just horrible at seeing his teammates and is a puck hog. Kadri's passes slow down the game too much, he makes them most of the time a second or two too late
The Following User Says Thank You to Naitix For This Useful Post:
Just wanna make sure everyone realizes, that after winning back to back on the road against two playoff teams, the Flames will most certainly lose to the Ducks on home ice Friday haha
They'll outshoot them 50-15, out chance them 15-5, play 75% of the game in the Ducks end, but lose 4-2 or some #### lol
I sense a very predictable pattern with this team lol
The Following User Says Thank You to Roof-Daddy For This Useful Post:
You know what should have happened early in the 3rd period? Dube being promoted for playing a good game, Ritchie being demoted to the 4th line, and 4th line barely seeing the ice. That is what most coaches in the NHL would do, Sutter refuses to make in game adjustments based on how his players are playing that night. You would think on a team that is struggling to find the "it" guy who can help the team win, they would reward good play with more ice time but no
The Following User Says Thank You to Naitix For This Useful Post:
