Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Meh, it's true. It's like in the other threads when all conservatives get called names for not sharing opinions like the group think ideologues on here. It's an opinion, feel free to discard or debate at your leisure.

Credit where it’s due, IMO you can deflect and play the victim with the best of them.

Feel free to discard or debate that at your leisure

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Credit where it’s due, IMO you can deflect and play the victim with the best of them.

Feel free to discard or debate that at your leisure

haha I agree with you actually, fair enough.

[woob]

You're on a roll today, eh?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by woob

You're on a roll today, eh?

Contribute.

[Bonded]

The biggest change to climate related issues in regards to meat will be if lab grown meat and seafood becomes viable and cost competitive against traditional agriculture production. That would be substantive shift in the S+D of all agricultural products. I work in agriculture and there is a lot of room for improvement but in Canada and the US I'd focus more on soil health and creating more efficient fertilizers and reducing their usage. I'd also shift away from plant based fuels.

As an aside, peak phosphorous is one of the more interesting doomsday scenarios when it comes to feeding people in my opinion.Another good rabbit hole is that there is more evidence that food in general is becoming less nutritious and I don't think it is stretch to think as yields have grown that nutrition density has decreased.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

https://globalnews.ca/news/9430612/c...-interference/

So the allegation is that this elected Conservative politician was the point man for the Chinese for their alleged electoral interference campaign?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I didn't have a chance to watch all the grocery store CEO's and their testimony on higher grocery prices, just a little bit.

I am wondering if anybody asked them what reasonable, easy to implement, long term investment government's across the board can make to ease inflation on food prices and how it can lead to a decrease in prices as a whole?

My family has been in the small grocery business since the 60's and as an outsider looking in, there are a lot of steps that can be taken to help with costs. As costs have increased, so have the prices.

We always talk about energy prices, fuel costs, supply chain, labour issues etc but are any of these things getting addressed in a meaningful way?

Can the government assist their own people and perhaps reduce taxation on items at the grocery store??

This seems like these committee's are nothing but optics for the people in power to look like they are working for us.

It wasn't much of a committee, and Jagmeet didn't really look prepared. It was basically it felt like about filming B roll for election campaign ads.

When the main line of questioning was How much profit is too much, and why do you get paid so much, it was going nowhere.

[stone hands]

Look at those elitist west coast liberals. Imagine the audacity of *checks notes* not eating something. did you know that china pollutes like...way more than us?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by stone hands

Is it virtue signaling if hes actually taking action on something he believes in

That sounds more to me like actually having your own principals and doing all you can actually do about anything, which is your own actions

Yeah, it'd be different if he was talking down to others about it, but him simply saying that he does it is hardly virtue signaling

I think a lot of people won't be eating beef in the future, not because of a choice about climate change, but because it'll be out of their price range

[Aarongavey]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ver...evre-1.6774671

This former guy thinks NSICOP is the right venue to investigate allegations like the one about the Conservative politician being the alleged point man for the alleged Chinese electoral interference campaign.

Poilievre accused him of covering up the issue "with a secret process that he controls." Michael Chong, the Conservative critic for foreign affairs, described NSICOP's work as "secret hearings, secret evidence and secret conclusions, all controlled by the prime minister."

Obviously, that's BS," White, a former Conservative senator, told CBC's The House.

"Our work was done unfettered, totally unfettered."

NSICOP is a bipartisan assembly of MPs and senators who are sworn to secrecy in order to receive top-secret briefings.

Their classified reports are sent to the prime minister before a redacted version is made public.

"And then there are strict rules on the things that need to be redacted. Read the legislation. It's very clear," said White.

"It's too bad politics is becoming the player here."

White said he's not necessarily opposed to a public inquiry but pointed out that NSICOP already has the infrastructure and capacity to take on these questions.

"I think NSICOP would be quicker than a public inquiry and hell of a lot cheaper," White told host Catherine Cullen in an interview airing Saturday morning.

"Secondly, people who say, 'Well at least the public inquiry, everything would be public,' are not thinking this through. Everything would not be public …You're not gonna get what you can't get, right?"

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Yeah, it'd be different if he was talking down to others about it, but him simply saying that he does it is hardly virtue signaling

I think a lot of people won't be eating beef in the future, not because of a choice about climate change, but because it'll be out of their price range

It's less to do with pete's specific beef buying post and more to do with expanding on why many west coasters live detached from reality. I was told that my post was detached from reality so I was more responding to woob and generally speaking rather than pete's specific post. I like peter12 and know he is not actually like that, just like my brother. But sometimes when they make comments you wonder if they actually believe some of the stuff they'll say, or have thought through the reality of it that well. Maybe people will stop eating beef, I actually really don't care. It doesn't affect me and I don't really give a ####.

However, many, many, many other positions taken by these people do have very serious and direct implications on millions in Alberta, across Canada, and many other places so yeah, the ivory tower thing does apply.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Where is your current location? It says Victoria. Didn't you one time say you supported communism? Could be wrong but I thought I remember reading that, which was a real eye opener for me.

I am. What difference does that make? Do you think you're immune from your own localized echo chambers and regional biases?

Didn't you just call me out yesterday for making a false claim regarding the CPC? And then, when I provided evidence for it (for which a simple google search brought up a plethora of results), you just stopped replying. Why was it that you weren't aware these examples existed when there were so many of them and so easily found? Is it possible that you also exist in some of your own bubbles?

I can almost guarantee that I've been to more countries, continents, and made more long-lasting friends in those places before age 35 than most people will in their entire lives.

That's not meant as a brag. I've been incredibly fortunate in some areas of my life and incredibly unfortunate in others. That's the way life goes.

To be clear, I have no issues with people taking shots at me living in B.C., the hippies/hipsters out here, etc. That's all fair game in my opinion, and I give as good as I get. I love banter like that.

However, it's incredibly arrogant, bordering on narcissism, to assume that someone's viewpoints, beliefs, etc., are entirely shaped by where they live (and that you are somehow above such primitive cognitive biases). You know dick all about my life, lived experiences, or the specialized knowledge I may have acquired in certain areas which shape my opinions.

Even if I were a communist (I'm not), the fact that that immediately disqualifies or taints my posts to you in some way demonstrates major intellectual laziness on your part. Maybe work on your empathy skills, or at least attempt to find out why someone believes the things they do instead of just making baseless assumptions about the poster.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I am. What difference does that make? Do you think you're immune from your own localized echo chambers and regional biases?

Didn't you just call me out yesterday for making a false claim regarding the CPC? And then, when I provided evidence for it (for which a simple google search brought up a plethora of results), you just stopped replying. Why was it that you weren't aware these examples existed when there were so many of them and so easily found? Is it possible that you also exist in some of your own bubbles?

I can almost guarantee that I've been to more countries, continents, and made more long-lasting friends in those places before age 35 than most people will in their entire lives.

That's not meant as a brag. I've been incredibly fortunate in some areas of my life and incredibly unfortunate in others. That's the way life goes.

To be clear, I have no issues with people taking shots at me living in B.C., the hippies/hipsters out here, etc. That's all fair game in my opinion, and I give as good as I get. I love banter like that.

However, it's incredibly arrogant, bordering on narcissism, to assume that someone's viewpoints, beliefs, etc., are entirely shaped by where they live (and that you are somehow above such primitive cognitive biases). You know dick all about my life, lived experiences, or the specialized knowledge I may have acquired in certain areas which shape my opinions.

Even if I were a communist (I'm not), the fact that that immediately disqualifies or taints my posts to you in some way demonstrates major intellectual laziness on your part. Maybe work on your empathy skills, or at least attempt to find out why someone believes the things they do instead of just making baseless assumptions about the poster.

Just what a communist would say...

You need to prove yourself....through...'Feats of Strength!'

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I am. What difference does that make? Do you think you're immune from your own localized echo chambers and regional biases?

Didn't you just call me out yesterday for making a false claim regarding the CPC? And then, when I provided evidence for it (for which a simple google search brought up a plethora of results), you just stopped replying. Why was it that you weren't aware these examples existed when there were so many of them and so easily found? Is it possible that you also exist in some of your own bubbles?

I can almost guarantee that I've been to more countries, continents, and made more long-lasting friends in those places before age 35 than most people will in their entire lives.

That's not meant as a brag. I've been incredibly fortunate in some areas of my life and incredibly unfortunate in others. That's the way life goes.

To be clear, I have no issues with people taking shots at me living in B.C., the hippies/hipsters out here, etc. That's all fair game in my opinion, and I give as good as I get. I love banter like that.

However, it's incredibly arrogant, bordering on narcissism, to assume that someone's viewpoints, beliefs, etc., are entirely shaped by where they live (and that you are somehow above such primitive cognitive biases). You know dick all about my life, lived experiences, or the specialized knowledge I may have acquired in certain areas which shape my opinions.

Even if I were a communist (I'm not), the fact that that immediately disqualifies or taints my posts to you in some way demonstrates major intellectual laziness on your part. Maybe work on your empathy skills, or at least attempt to find out why someone believes the things they do instead of just making baseless assumptions about the poster.

Oh I definitely know I have biases and live and operate in the same sort of echo chambers, that's fair. I didn't reply to your response on the CPC thing because I asked for evidence and you provided it? That was the point of asking you, there was nothing to reply to about it- you were right.

Definitely not narcissistic to think that living in a place shapes people's viewpoints. Weird opinion there. I also didn't make comment that I am above such predispositions or biases, I think you made that up.

That's really awesome you have travelled, experienced the world and made lifelong friends in various places. I actually genuinely mean that and am not being sarcastic. Me too actually. Are any of those relationships with people in Africa or Asia? Or are they all mostly European, western world places?

I don't think it's "intellectually lazy" to think that if someone is a straight up communist their opinions should be taken with a grain of salt. That's a pretty extreme viewpoint. It'd be like me saying I believe in fascism, would you all of a sudden think that my opinions henceforth had as much merit as previous to knowing that? Obviously not, so it's not quite so "outrageous" an opinion to hold actually. And I'm glad to hear you're not communist, I must have misread that previously or misunderstood a previous point you made, i can't recall when or why I thought that and obviously that assumption was wrong. However, you must admit that your general opinions on the majority of topics tend to be (I'd say "very", but whatever) left leaning.

Sorry if my post bothered you, I tell my brother the same thing regarding west coasters and he gives me the same eye roll you probably just did for what it's worth and you shouldn't (and I'm sure don't) take me too seriously. It's just an opinion formed after reading years of west coast people's opinions, like on this site and elsewhere, etc.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Locke

Just what a communist would say...

You need to prove yourself....through...'Feats of Strength!'

Listen, I can't fully indoctrinate the youths if you keep outing me like this.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

... Wasn't the initial comment by Peter12 less a statement that people shouldn't eat meat because of the associated climate change impacts, and more a statement about how the effects of climate change are likely to make beef more and more expensive to produce, and thus less and less realistic as a dietary staple, as time goes on? Because that's how I took it.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Oh I definitely know I have biases and live and operate in the same sort of echo chambers, that's fair. I didn't reply to your response on the CPC thing because I asked for evidence and you provided it? That was the point of asking you, there was nothing to reply to about it- you were right.

Definitely not narcissistic to think that living in a place shapes people's viewpoints. Weird opinion there. I also didn't make comment that I am above such predispositions or biases, I think you made that up.

I apologize if I read too much into it. Tone gets lost in text, and the tone I got from that post was super arrogant and patronizing.

That's really awesome you have travelled, experienced the world and made lifelong friends in various places. I actually genuinely mean that and am not being sarcastic. Me too actually. Are any of those relationships with people in Africa or Asia? Or are they all mostly European, western world places?

The only continents I haven't visited are Africa and Antarctica. However, I do have friends who emigrated from various areas of Africa. Sadly, no penguin friends yet.

I don't think it's "intellectually lazy" to think that if someone is a straight up communist their opinions should be taken with a grain of salt. That's a pretty extreme viewpoint. It'd be like me saying I believe in fascism, would you all of a sudden think that my opinions henceforth had as much merit as previous to knowing that? Obviously not, so it's not quite so "outrageous" an opinion to hold actually. And I'm glad to hear you're not communist, I must have misread that previously or misunderstood a previous point you made, i can't recall when or why I thought that and obviously that assumption was wrong. However, you must admit that your general opinions on the majority of topics tend to be (I'd say "very", but whatever) left leaning.

I think equating communism to fascism is bit much, especially considering communists are usually among the first groups to be persecuted by fascism. That said, I wouldn't dismiss someone's opinion just because they were a fascist. My dad's a fascist, and I still have to tolerate his bull####. I still think there's value in trying to figure out which threads someone followed to get to that point.

Sorry if my post bothered you, I tell my brother the same thing regarding west coasters and he gives me the same eye roll you probably just did for what it's worth and you shouldn't (and I'm sure don't) take me too seriously. It's just an opinion formed after reading years of west coast people's opinions, like on this site and elsewhere, etc.

I didn't take it super personally. It's just frustrating from a debate standpoint. I was very conservative in my late teens and early 20s. I've arrived at the positions I have through years of education, lived experiences, etc., so reducing that all to just be a product of where I lived diminishes the debate, and it really does you a disservice because it gives you a cognitive excuse to not try to learn anything from what I post.

Don't get me wrong, 90% of what I post is trash, but every once in a while I stumble across a few decent points.

[PepsiFree]

If someone says they’re a a fascist it doesn’t really have any impact on how valid their opinions on the ethical consumption of beef are, nor would it be relevant to their opinions on climate change.

That’s not how these things work.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

So what you’re saying is you want the government to give the businesses a break and probably want to convince people that those savings will trickle down to consumers but instead of just saying that you decided to post it as “Can the government assist their own people and perhaps reduce the taxation on items at the grocery store?”

Seems pretty misleading.

GST is paid by end users and increased prices result in a much higher tax revenue to the government. That's not a "government give business a break"

It's the end users who are paying the higher food costs. When it comes to shipping costs and how they have exploded, items are being marked up across the board a lot more than this 7% inflation everybody keeps talking about.

A pallet of an item that retails for $1.99 at $125 a pallet doesn't get marked up to $2.13 when the shipping costs go to nearly $500. It's getting marked much higher.

If we really had 7% inflation, we really wouldn't have everybody struggling. We have restaurants charging prices of 25% + over last year.

My family is in the specialty food/import business so not really in the random Canadian groceries business per se.

In April, alcohol taxes are increasing 7% across the board. In a place like BC, they are increasing provincial tax, federal government tax, BC liquor tax. We are putting taxes onto taxes. Probably why a $15 bottle of wine may have $9-10 in taxes.

The governments across the board deserves some serious blame with regards to inflation. Even some of the largest unions in Canada are wondering what the hell government's are doing other than sitting by while the Bank of Canada increases rates, rightfully so to squeeze consumer and business spending. Is there anything that can be done? Can we improve efficiency at the ports? Improve highway and railway transportation systems? Encourage employment in the trucking and warehouse sector?

We got Jagmeet Singh in a beautifully, bespoke tailored suit and a love of $5-25k watches grilling "the rich" about taxes, profits and incomes. Perhaps when our federal leaders come to the table with some actual solutions to the problems we can get serious about inflation.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If someone says they’re a a fascist it doesn’t really have any impact on how valid their opinions on the ethical consumption of beef are, nor would it be relevant to their opinions on climate change.

That’s not how these things work.

Well that, too. If someone says they're a fascist, you basically have to view most of their opinions through the lens of ethnic nationalism because that's essentially the core of fascism.

If someone says they're a communist, generally the lens is the liberation of the working class and/or some sort of anarcho-collectivism. Not really an equivalent.