Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[peter12]

I will never really buy beef again and given the ecological circumstances most of us probably won’t be buying much beef in the future either. This is not a food type that will do well with climate change.

[Azure]

Signs Peter12 has gone off the deep end....lol.

Buy beef from a locally owned farm and your useless virtue signalling in terms of climate change will let you sleep at night.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Azure

Signs Peter12 has gone off the deep end....lol.

Buy beef from a locally owned farm and your useless virtue signalling in terms of climate change will let you sleep at night.

Like my borther, he lives in Vancouver. Similar with rubecube, I believe he's in Victoria.

There is a very special detachment from reality these people live in and they (really) fundamentally do not understand the contradiction of climate change vs. modern life and don't really operate in reality.

There is no squaring the circle that is climate change vs. modern human existence, especially when observed through the lens of how the rest of the world actually operates, which could not be farther than how Vancouver / Calgary / Canada operates- which is amongst the highest standards of living in the world. When I read comments like petes above, or rubecubes last comment or others on climate change, they come across as the most ivory tower condescending BS ever. Pete talks about buying designer clothes and whatever, but buying beef is evil, as if such breadth and types clothes have no impact.

I work internationally. Let me tell you how much climate change comes up... most people are just trying to eat and have lights on in the house. The absolute luxury of choosing between beef or thousands of other food products is not reality for about +80% of the world. I just don't understand how this basic stuff is lost on the people of the west coast.

[stone hands]

Is it virtue signaling if hes actually taking action on something he believes in

That sounds more to me like actually having your own principals and doing all you can actually do about anything, which is your own actions

[CaptainCrunch]

https://globalnews.ca/news/9430612/c...-interference/

n election interference network directed by China’s Toronto consulate allegedly involved a sitting member of the Ontario legislature, according to sources with knowledge of the investigation into Beijing’s covert efforts during the 2019 federal election.Those sources assert that Vincent Ke, a Progressive Conservative member in Premier Doug Ford’s government since 2018, served as a financial intermediary in Chinese Communist Party (CCP) interference schemes described in two separate Privy Council Office intelligence reports reviewed by Global News.
According to those same sources, Ke received around $50,000, part of a larger disbursement from the Chinese Consulate in Toronto in the $250,000 range that was channelled through a series of intermediaries.
Ke has denied the allegations.
One of the documents that refer to the funding schemes is a January 2022 Privy Council Office (PCO) report, which asserts that the CCP’s Toronto-area network included 11 or more 2019 federal candidates, 13 or more aides, and an Ontario MPP.
The report does not mention Ke by name but described in detail how the alleged network operated.

[CaptainCrunch]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...box=1678411021

MONTREAL — Quebec RCMP say they are investigating two alleged secret police stations operated by Chinese authorities in the province.

The federal police force confirmed Thursday its Integrated National Security Team has opened investigations into the suspected police stations in Montreal and Brossard, a suburb just south of the city.

Sgt. Charles Poirier says Canadians of Chinese origin were victims of activities carried out by the stations, adding that any type of intimidation, harassment or targeting of diaspora communities will not be tolerated.

Poirier says the RCMP are carrying out actions aimed at detecting and disrupting “foreign state-backed criminal activities,” which may threaten the safety of persons living in Canada.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...box=1678411021



The federal police force confirmed Thursday its Integrated National Security Team has opened investigations into the suspected police stations in Montreal and Brossard, a suburb just south of the city.

Sgt. Charles Poirier says Canadians of Chinese origin were victims of activities carried out by the stations, adding that any type of intimidation, harassment or targeting of diaspora communities will not be tolerated.

Poirier says the RCMP are carrying out actions aimed at detecting and disrupting “foreign state-backed criminal activities,” which may threaten the safety of persons living in Canada.

You'd have to think this is happening in Vancouver too. 50,000 Chinese in Montreal. 10 times that in Vancouver.

[curves2000]

I didn't have a chance to watch all the grocery store CEO's and their testimony on higher grocery prices, just a little bit.

I am wondering if anybody asked them what reasonable, easy to implement, long term investment government's across the board can make to ease inflation on food prices and how it can lead to a decrease in prices as a whole?

My family has been in the small grocery business since the 60's and as an outsider looking in, there are a lot of steps that can be taken to help with costs. As costs have increased, so have the prices.

We always talk about energy prices, fuel costs, supply chain, labour issues etc but are any of these things getting addressed in a meaningful way?

Can the government assist their own people and perhaps reduce taxation on items at the grocery store??

This seems like these committee's are nothing but optics for the people in power to look like they are working for us.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Like my borther, he lives in Vancouver. Similar with rubecube, I believe he's in Victoria.

There is a very special detachment from reality these people live in and they (really) fundamentally do not understand the contradiction of climate change vs. modern life and don't really operate in reality.

There is no squaring the circle that is climate change vs. modern human existence, especially when observed through the lens of how the rest of the world actually operates, which could not be farther than how Vancouver / Calgary / Canada operates- which is amongst the highest standards of living in the world. When I read comments like petes above, or rubecubes last comment or others on climate change, they come across as the most ivory tower condescending BS ever. Pete talks about buying designer clothes and whatever, but buying beef is evil, as if such breadth and types clothes have no impact.

I work internationally. Let me tell you how much climate change comes up... most people are just trying to eat and have lights on in the house. The absolute luxury of choosing between beef or thousands of other food products is not reality for about +80% of the world. I just don't understand how this basic stuff is lost on the people of the west coast.

Restricting the food available for people to eat because of climate change issues is very much western world stupidity, and this sentiment grows more every year as delusional billionaires hop around the world on their private jets spreading their lies. The developing world is going to consume more meat going into the future, and its hilarious that the western world thinks it has the right to tell the developing world what they can and cannot eat. So always amusing when people talk about 'oh we need to all eat less beef because of climate change', which is just an easy way to tell poor people they are not allowed to partake in the indulgences we've all had privilege to the last century.

Same thing with energy.

The same public figures that now want us to stop eating meat are the ones who let big food take over our diet. Now they want to reverse course. I guess time to cash out and move on to something where they can extract even more money from the middle / lower class.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I didn't have a chance to watch all the grocery store CEO's and their testimony on higher grocery prices, just a little bit.

I am wondering if anybody asked them what reasonable, easy to implement, long term investment government's across the board can make to ease inflation on food prices and how it can lead to a decrease in prices as a whole?

My family has been in the small grocery business since the 60's and as an outsider looking in, there are a lot of steps that can be taken to help with costs. As costs have increased, so have the prices.

We always talk about energy prices, fuel costs, supply chain, labour issues etc but are any of these things getting addressed in a meaningful way?

Can the government assist their own people and perhaps reduce taxation on items at the grocery store??

This seems like these committee's are nothing but optics for the people in power to look like they are working for us.

Most items at the grocery store are already tax free. How have you been involved in the business for as long as you say you have been without knowing this?

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Most items at the grocery store are already tax free. How have you been involved in the business for as long as you say you have been without knowing this?

There are a lot of items that are GST exempt, a lot, but there is a massive amount of food in the grocery stores that is GST taxable. As prices rise, so does the cost of the tax.

There is also import duties on products like dairy, cheeses and more. A lot of the supply management system we have in Canada for cheese, dairy, poultry and more can in someways be considered a tax.

Plenty of fuel surcharge, environmental levy, transportation related costs/taxes that are ever growing on our transportation bill. A pallet that used to cost $125 to ship from Vancouver is now approaching $500.

Costs have gotten out of control but the government does have an ability to reduce it's own burden and improve things across the board with some very basic things. The port system, the highway and transportation, tax on fuel, labour for transportation and agriculture, general taxes and fee's .

[woob]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Like my borther, he lives in Vancouver. Similar with rubecube, I believe he's in Victoria.

There is a very special detachment from reality these people live in and they (really) fundamentally do not understand the contradiction of climate change vs. modern life and don't really operate in reality.

There is no squaring the circle that is climate change vs. modern human existence, especially when observed through the lens of how the rest of the world actually operates, which could not be farther than how Vancouver / Calgary / Canada operates- which is amongst the highest standards of living in the world. When I read comments like petes above, or rubecubes last comment or others on climate change, they come across as the most ivory tower condescending BS ever. Pete talks about buying designer clothes and whatever, but buying beef is evil, as if such breadth and types clothes have no impact.

I work internationally. Let me tell you how much climate change comes up... most people are just trying to eat and have lights on in the house. The absolute luxury of choosing between beef or thousands of other food products is not reality for about +80% of the world. I just don't understand how this basic stuff is lost on the people of the west coast.

I don't know if pete's comment was going off the deep end, but this diatribe sure was. Yikes.

[Doctorfever]

^^^

Hold on one minute, we can’t start cutting taxes. Can’t you see it has fixed climate change?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by curves2000

There are a lot of items that are GST exempt, a lot, but there is a massive amount of food in the grocery stores that is GST taxable. As prices rise, so does the cost of the tax.

There is also import duties on products like dairy, cheeses and more. A lot of the supply management system we have in Canada for cheese, dairy, poultry and more can in someways be considered a tax.

Plenty of fuel surcharge, environmental levy, transportation related costs/taxes that are ever growing on our transportation bill. A pallet that used to cost $125 to ship from Vancouver is now approaching $500.

Costs have gotten out of control but the government does have an ability to reduce it's own burden and improve things across the board with some very basic things. The port system, the highway and transportation, tax on fuel, labour for transportation and agriculture, general taxes and fee's .

So what you’re saying is you want the government to give the businesses a break and probably want to convince people that those savings will trickle down to consumers but instead of just saying that you decided to post it as “Can the government assist their own people and perhaps reduce the taxation on items at the grocery store?”

Seems pretty misleading.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by woob

I don't know if pete's comment was going off the deep end, but this diatribe sure was. Yikes.

How so? Perhaps I am hyperbolic or wrong, lemme know.

It’s like talking to Street Pharma in the new energy thread, assuring us that the energy transition is gonna be swift and that, literally everything oil and gas is used for, has a suitable replacement product in development and ready to replace oil and gas derivatives in the near-term.

It’s delusional, based on everything I read, which is daily briefings on all things energy, global supply and demand, various excerpts regarding different products and how things are changing in the energy space, and acknowledging where there are real successes and failures for replacement energy products and services. Information put together by groups like the EIA, governments, banks, intellectuals, experienced professionals, etc.

There is going to be changes. People are trying. Some will work, some won’t. But the speed and adoption rates lobbied around by hopeful ideologues of the western world are not based in the realities of this world and when I say this world I mean, literally, the whole world. Not just Canada and the United States and Europe.

I’m sorry to say, climate change is a problem for only the highest elites of this world, and even if any other problem comes along that challenges the standards of living Canadians enjoy, watch climate change quickly tumble aside in importance. We can’t handle grocers increasing prices (not even that much, relative to the demands climate change would truly pose to pricing relatively speaking), and all of a sudden climate change is shelve and we have Weston in question period getting roasted.

And that’s not to say climate change isn’t a problem. It is. But my personal opinion is that the majority of this planet does not think it is as important as the west would love everyone to believe. People are at war. People are starving. People are fighting for freedom, people are recovering from COVID. Which reminds me, how much did we give a #### about climate change when COVID came along? Oh that’s right, it wasn’t even in the top 10 of discussion items in the large majority of circles. All these things are what I’m talking about.

People on the west coast just looooove to look down their nose at all these “conservative backwater redneck hicks” who are “uneducated” etc. you literally see these sentiments on this site in political threads. And you’re going to say that calling them detached from reality is over the top? People are self-interested. Including people on the west coast. It’s human nature. It’s the condescending finger wag that gets old, not calling it out.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Like my borther, he lives in Vancouver. Similar with rubecube, I believe he's in Victoria.

There is a very special detachment from reality these people live in and they (really) fundamentally do not understand the contradiction of climate change vs. modern life and don't really operate in reality.

Lol. I've lived in Calgary, Victoria, and Copenhagen. I've also spent copious amounts of time in the Southern U.S. when my dad lived there for over a decade.

What an incredibly lazy generalization.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

How so? Perhaps I am hyperbolic or wrong, lemme know.

I can’t speak for woob, but maybe it was the whole telling people they are disconnected from reality for not sharing the same opinion as you?

Just a guess.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I can’t speak for woob, but maybe it was the whole telling people they are disconnected from reality for not sharing the same opinion as you?

Just a guess.

Meh, it's true. It's like in the other threads when all conservatives get called names for not sharing opinions like the group think ideologues on here. It's an opinion, feel free to discard or debate at your leisure.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by peter12

I will never really buy beef again and given the ecological circumstances most of us probably won’t be buying much beef in the future either. This is not a food type that will do well with climate change.

Why, the two countries today with (by far) the biggest herds are India and Brazil. Two extremely warm countries.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Lol. I've lived in Calgary, Victoria, and Copenhagen. I've also spent copious amounts of time in the Southern U.S. when my dad lived there for over a decade.

What an incredibly lazy generalization.

Where is your current location? It says Victoria. Didn't you one time say you supported communism? Could be wrong but I thought I remember reading that, which was a real eye opener for me.