2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Not necessarily a trade rumor, but take a look at this:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1633656796702298117

It's NHL 2023 isn't it?

[Toonage]

Running your team into the ground?

There's an app for that!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd take Bennet back right now if there was an opportunity.

I'd cry if we used a top 4 pick to get another Bennett though.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by blankall

If the team isn't contending during the first half of Huberdeau's contract, it's largely because of Huberdeau. Roster-wise the Flames have excellent depth and defence. They are missing a game breaker, which Huberdeau is supposed to be and is being paid to be. If the Flames had a first line forward putting up 90+ points, they win a lot of those 1 goal games and don't end up in OT at all.

Not fair to put the blame squarely on Huberdeau. Lots of other things have gone wrong, but Huberdeau is certainly one of 3-4 major things going wrong that have the Flames where they are.

You can't be anywhere near a 90 point player while being 139th in the NHL in TOI/G among forwards.

Noah Cates, Ilya Mikheyev, Anthony Cirrelli, Christian Dvorak, Brandon Saad, Kailer Yammamoto, Kyle Palmieri, Josh Anderson, Trevor Moore, Sam Bennett.. etc..

These are all guys who are playing just as many minutes on a nightly basis than a player coming off a 115 point season. His deployment has quite frankly been disrespectful considering what he has accomplished in recent years, and it's not all that surprising he has little to no confidence in his game as a result.

[jayswin]

Sutter really doesn't like the player, it's very apparent. But nothing we can do about that as he's in charge of him. Just sucks that it's our soon to be $10.5mil player that we need offensively charging for this team to be a threat.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Sutter really doesn't like the player, it's very apparent. But nothing we can do about that as he's in charge of him. Just sucks that it's our soon to be $10.5mil player that we need offensively charging for this team to be a threat.

That'll teach Huberdeau to come in here all confident, declaring that Lindholm will score more playing with him, then having the unmitigated gall to leave a game for a bit to get an injury checked out.

I'd hate to have Sutter mad at me for legit reasons. Dude really holds a grudge lol

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Toonage

That'll teach Huberdeau to come in here all confident, declaring that Lindholm will score more playing with him, then having the unmitigated gall to leave a game for a bit to get an injury checked out.

I'd hate to have Sutter mad at me for legit reasons. Dude really holds a grudge lol

If Sutter doesn't like Huberdeau it is because he throws blind passes. Not because of the interpersonal factors.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

If Sutter doesn't like Huberdeau it is because he throws blind passes. Not because of the interpersonal factors.

I (a) don't think he dislikes Huberdeau and (b) disagree that he throws blind passes.

He throws tough passes that are often lower percentage but they aren't blind. He said himself he has gotten into positions where he was forced into passes he didn't really want to make. And creative players try stuff that doesn't work out all the time.

I don't think Sutter is keeping Huberdeau away from Lindholm because he thinks they wouldn't work together. He's probably just happy with how Dube and Toffoli are doing with Lindholm and doesn't want to split them up. Just like how he's not moving Mangiapane to a more productive position because he likes the way the Backlund line is performing overall.

EDIT: The ice time thing: I haven't looked back far but against Minnie, Huberdeau took the most 5x5 shifts of any forward (tied with Mangiapane, Kadri and Ritchie). 2 more than Lindholm. But he takes short shifts. He averaged 10 seconds less than Lucic per shift. It doesn't sound like much but it adds up. In fact Huberdeau's line's average shift length was the shortest of all forwards.

Looking back more, Sutter sure evens out the number of 5x5 shifts. So I don't think he hates Huberdeau, Huberdeau just is either more disciplined about shift lebth (Lucic is bad for this) or he's getting gassed quicker, which leads to other problems.

[transplant99]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1634750532433657856

[dammage79]

Lol. Quick is going to cost the Kings dearly in the playoffs isn't he? Quite a storyline.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I (a) don't think he dislikes Huberdeau and (b) disagree that he throws blind passes.

He throws tough passes that are often lower percentage but they aren't blind. He said himself he has gotten into positions where he was forced into passes he didn't really want to make. And creative players try stuff that doesn't work out all the time.

I don't think Sutter is keeping Huberdeau away from Lindholm because he thinks they wouldn't work together. He's probably just happy with how Dube and Toffoli are doing with Lindholm and doesn't want to split them up. Just like how he's not moving Mangiapane to a more productive position because he likes the way the Backlund line is performing overall.

EDIT: The ice time thing: I haven't looked back far but against Minnie, Huberdeau took the most 5x5 shifts of any forward (tied with Mangiapane, Kadri and Ritchie). 2 more than Lindholm. But he takes short shifts. He averaged 10 seconds less than Lucic per shift. It doesn't sound like much but it adds up. In fact Huberdeau's line's average shift length was the shortest of all forwards.

Looking back more, Sutter sure evens out the number of 5x5 shifts. So I don't think he hates Huberdeau, Huberdeau just is either more disciplined about shift lebth (Lucic is bad for this) or he's getting gassed quicker, which leads to other problems.

The ice time thing is big because Huberdeau talked about it when he got here how playing more especially on the PK really helped him have the season he had last year.

Another massive failure by Darryl Sutter. Let's just strip away the ice time of the teams biggest star because Darryl knows best.

Just speaks volumes about just inability to communicate with his players and put them in a position they can succeed in.

[Sylvanfan]

Huberdaeu needs to get back to shooting the puck. 103 shots on goal for him is not enough. Need to have him take the mentality that he's the guy this team needs to be scoring 30 to 35 goals. Him getting 220 to 240 shots on goal will likely get that done.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

You can't be anywhere near a 90 point player while being 139th in the NHL in TOI/G among forwards.

Noah Cates, Ilya Mikheyev, Anthony Cirrelli, Christian Dvorak, Brandon Saad, Kailer Yammamoto, Kyle Palmieri, Josh Anderson, Trevor Moore, Sam Bennett.. etc..

These are all guys who are playing just as many minutes on a nightly basis than a player coming off a 115 point season. His deployment has quite frankly been disrespectful considering what he has accomplished in recent years, and it's not all that surprising he has little to no confidence in his game as a result.

And he is 143rd in points/60 in ES situations. Maybe he could start doing something to earn more ice time.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

And he is 143rd in points/60 in ES situations. Maybe he could start doing something to earn more ice time.

it would be interesting to see the correlation between ice time and P/60

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

And he is 143rd in points/60 in ES situations. Maybe he could start doing something to earn more ice time.

Yeah, probably not in all honesty.

Darryl Sutter plays Milan Lucic 11:28 a night, meanwhile Adam Ruzicka has been scratched for how many games in a row?

Darryl Sutter doesn't reward players in a traditional sense. He slots you in a position, and your ice time is governed by that position.

Tyler Toffoli, our most potent offensive player gets 13:33 in even strength ice time per night. Milan Lucic gets 11:14 at even strength. Lucic has done nothing to earn that ice time, and Toffoli's performance indicates he should be playing more than that.

Darryl Sutter's player utilization is bad, and seeing as that's a pretty big component of coaching...he's been a bad coach this season.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

it would be interesting to see the correlation between ice time and P/60

That would be interesting and I am too lazy to crunch that data myself, but if I were to bet, I would expect that total points increases with more ice-time (obviously I think), but points per 60 would go down and most players would show diminishing returns as ice-time increases.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That would be interesting and I am too lazy to crunch that data myself, but if I were to bet, I would expect that total points increases with more ice-time (obviously I think), but points per 60 would go down and most players would show diminishing returns as ice-time increases.

I would bet that it goes up, as ice time goes up, UP TO A POINT, and then turns downward.

You need ice time in order to get into the game and be creative. But there is also a point where more ice time makes you less effective

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That would be interesting and I am too lazy to crunch that data myself, but if I were to bet, I would expect that total points increases with more ice-time (obviously I think), but points per 60 would go down and most players would show diminishing returns as ice-time increases.

Maybe, but factor in that your best players would get more ice time in place of your worse players.
Sitting Lucic on the bench more would have to increase scoring I would think.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Maybe, but factor in that your best players would get more ice time in place of your worse players.
Sitting Lucic on the bench more would have to increase scoring I would think.

This is an important point.

It is somewhat similar to what is going on in baseball. There is a stat that shows that starting pitchers' ERAs go up, with each time through the batting order. The natural reaction to that stat was to decide to pull the starter from the game earlier (i.e. avoid having to face the batting order a 3rd time).

The problem, however, is that when you pull the starters earlier, you give more innings to the bullpen. And bullpen pitchers aren't as good as starters, overall. But more importantly, you aren't giving more innings to the BEST relievers (because they are already playing as much as they can handle), you are giving more innings the the WORST pitchers on your team (because that is who is available to take on the extra innings). THe result is that, by following the stat and pulling the starters earlier, you make your pitching staff worse, overall.

Similar sort of thing here. There are two problems: one, the best players aren't getting enough ice time, and 2) the worst players get too much. Also, with Sutter in particular, he never goes with the hot hand on any given night. It isn't just a case of saying let's give more time to the top line and less to the 4th line, it is also important to MANAGE the situation, based on the game situation at the time. If you're down in the 3rd period, play your best players more. And play the guys that are playing well tonight. You can always give the 4th line more minutes in games where it doesn't matter.

[Tkachukwagon]

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