2023 NHL Draft Thread

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Flames need up scale D prospects. And just more in general. Don't think we have an euros, and there's a sizeable development gap.

In the last 5 drafts the Flames have taken 6 defensemen, but in three of the five they didn't take a defenseman at all, which is the reason for the big gap in development, IMO.

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[Sandman]

There are some quality options for D in the second round….

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Sandman

There are some quality options for D in the second round….

I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Cam Allen.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Cam Allen.

Knowing nothing about him, whats the upside with him? Looks to have pretty pedestrian stats and isn't that big for a D.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Knowing nothing about him, whats the upside with him? Looks to have pretty pedestrian stats and isn't that big for a D.

Was outstanding as a 16-year-old in the OHL. Probably Canada's #1 D at the Hlinka last summer. Has taken a step back on a middling Guelph team this year but still very much has talent as a puck-mover.

[Sandman]

Cam Allen had 13 goals and 37 points in 65 games last year, solid for a D minus 1 season. This year, he’s got only 4 goals and 23 points in 55 games. Part of that is because this year’s team seems to score less, but it’s also because he’s playing behind 18 yo St.Louis draftee Mike Buchinger, and 20 yo Jake Murray. Usually, I would expect a defenseman who put up those numbers the year before his draft year to be around a point-per-game in his draft year.

Allen reminds me a bit of TJ Brodie’s situation-TJ only put up 30 points in 68 games in his draft year, but we saw what he became. Allen is like that, with better offensive ability. Don’t be surprised if he goes late first-round.

[ForeverFlameFan]

There will always be a faller. No matter where we are drafting, we can potentially land someone big for the prospect cupboards.

RE: Allen if he is there at 33 (start of the second round) I would move up for him, assuming we aren't picking 32 with our Stanley Cup draft pick.

With our pick, I hope to go for a forward. Danielson is probably the guy I am looking at most.

[1qqaaz]

Gabe Perreault has crazy good USHL stats.
31 points in 16 USHL games and 96 points in 48 USDP games.
I know they're lower leagues, but 2 points per game at any level is always impressive. Especially for a larger sample size.

Some having him going in the 15-20 range.

Perreault's stats are quite a bit better than Oliver Moore's, and Moore is supposed to be in the top 10.

[Royle9]

2nd round offensive D I'd keep my eye on around our pick currently:

I think Cam Allen goes late 1st and if not early 2nd but he'd be my #1 choice as he looks like a steal.

Flames could of had Lane Hutson last year in the 2nd round though, so I'm a bit worried they don't value offensive minded D early in the draft.
Lane's looking like a steal by MTL, his numbers are insane in Boston.

Hunter Brzustewicz - RHS - 58pts this year in the OHL with great vision and playmaking abilities. Downside is he's an American born so the Fox factor!

Tristan Bertucci - LHS - 49pts in the OHL, very mobile defenseman with skating being his #1 attribute, though hes also elusive and solid on the PP, Canadian kid.

Beau Akey - RHS - 49pts in the OHL, probably the most "offensive minded" D man I've watched, he's always trying to jump up into the play. Excellent skater and a great shot, the one negative knock on him is much like Porier his defensive play isn't as 2 way as some would like. He's like a 4th forward out there though and his shot is already elite.

Oscar Asplund - LHS - 30pts in Allsvenskan, more rounded 2 way defender though not very physical at all. Passing seems to be his #1 trait as he seems to have a knack for finding the open man. High hockey IQ but seems to need a lot of work.

[Samonadreau]

^For the 'Fox factor', completely different if they are in the CHL i think.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

^For the 'Fox factor', completely different if they are in the CHL i think.

Yea, more so just a sarcastic remark is all haha.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Would you move up to 3 to get him? And what would you pay to do it?

I would move up. I would pay a lot to as well. Our first and one of our valuable roster players. Lindholm or hanifin or Anderson or mangiapane and or any combination. Whatever it would take to get a guy like Carlson and fantilli. Wood may be a good consolation or Ritchie or Danielson or even hronek. We need size and skill. Too many small guys get too easily bodied when the whistles get put away.

I am more of the mind to move up in any first round to try to hit on guys with size and skill. Finding gems is nice and all but for every kucherov there are more Dustin Boyds.

Very few late round gems become impact players that win serious hardware.

Best chance to get size and skill is first round. Roberston is a nice find but he hasn’t won anything. He’s still a winger. Who’s a Center that was taken beyond the second ? Bergeron is the only second rounder I can think of that has won anything. Brayden point plays behind stamkos (first overall). Scouts for teams are good and scouts for amateurs are good. High picks where people hit are where contenders are made.

Flames need to change their mo when the average haul for a team is 1 roster player per draft. Make that one player more of a higher value by moving more assets to secure the better ones with more size potential.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Anyone know anything about Caden Price? He’s a rockets dman and is draft eligible this year. He has good numbers and a good scouting report. He comes from the dman factory in Kelowna too. Good size at 6’1 and has good offensive skills. I have heard he’s not racking up points due to him trying to improve his defensive game a bit. Anyway he’s projected in the second round.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

Anyone know anything about Caden Price? He’s a rockets dman and is draft eligible this year. He has good numbers and a good scouting report. He comes from the dman factory in Kelowna too. Good size at 6’1 and has good offensive skills. I have heard he’s not racking up points due to him trying to improve his defensive game a bit. Anyway he’s projected in the second round.

Price is a very well-rounded defenseman, with an extremely sound two-way game. Drives play from the back end with his transitional game- known as a great passer, with great skating ability. He had 21 points in 47 games last year, so like Cam Allen above, I would have expected him to be up around a point-per-game this season, but he has top-4 potential at the NHL level, with higher numbers to come. It should be pointed out too, that his team is worse in the standings this year, compared to last year, and they are scoring less. Like Allen, we could see this player at the end of the first round, although I would put Price ahead of Allen. Lots to like here.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Gabe Perreault has crazy good USHL stats.
31 points in 16 USHL games and 96 points in 48 USDP games.
I know they're lower leagues, but 2 points per game at any level is always impressive. Especially for a larger sample size.

Some having him going in the 15-20 range.

Perreault's stats are quite a bit better than Oliver Moore's, and Moore is supposed to be in the top 10.

Controversial statement on my part, but IMO Perreault's teammates Oliver Moore and Ryan Leonard are a little overrated (still excellent prospects), and GP is underrated. I think Moore and Leonard will slip a bit out of the top-10, and Perreault will rise. Will Smith is incredible, though.

First of all, Perrault is falsely listed at 5'10, and around 155lbs; he is actually 5'11", and over 180lbs. The USHL is falsely thought of as a secondary league, but it's considered to be a league that's hard to score in- making GP's stats pretty unreal. Perreault has 1.88 ppg in the USHL, while Coronato had 1.66. True, Perreault plays with the best talent on a Development team, but MC played with Sean Farrell, Josh Doan, Adam Fantilli, Ryan Ufko, Mackie Samoskevich, and Jackson Blake.

Gabe has vision and IQ off the charts, he's supremely creative, has elite stickhandling skill to get around opponents, and every scouting report I read lists his forechecking as a big plus. He fights his way into the hard areas and finds open space to unleash his wide array of quality shots- very gifted hands. While he's an excellent playmaker, he has a goal-scorers mentality, being a high-volume shooter with thoughtful shot-selection. He will go to the crease to deflect shots, or to make himself available for high-danger chances. He processes the game at a higher level than most of his peers. His weakness is that he needs a bit of work on his skating- which will improve a bit as he gets stronger. It's not bad, he already has good agility and edges, he just needs an extra gear when it comes to his straightline, and his acceleration. The other thing he needs is maybe a bit more attention in the defensive zone, a problem that most kids his age have. IMO, Gabe will go between 10-15.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

I would move up. I would pay a lot to as well. Our first and one of our valuable roster players. Lindholm or hanifin or Anderson or mangiapane and or any combination. Whatever it would take to get a guy like Carlson and fantilli. Wood may be a good consolation or Ritchie or Danielson or even hronek. We need size and skill. Too many small guys get too easily bodied when the whistles get put away.

I am more of the mind to move up in any first round to try to hit on guys with size and skill. Finding gems is nice and all but for every kucherov there are more Dustin Boyds.

Very few late round gems become impact players that win serious hardware.

Best chance to get size and skill is first round. Roberston is a nice find but he hasn’t won anything. He’s still a winger. Who’s a Center that was taken beyond the second ? Bergeron is the only second rounder I can think of that has won anything. Brayden point plays behind stamkos (first overall). Scouts for teams are good and scouts for amateurs are good. High picks where people hit are where contenders are made.

Flames need to change their mo when the average haul for a team is 1 roster player per draft. Make that one player more of a higher value by moving more assets to secure the better ones with more size potential.

I don’t think that gets the deal done
I literally don’t think the Flames have assets to trade up to the top 3
Those deals just don’t happen

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don’t think that gets the deal done
I literally don’t think the Flames have assets to trade up to the top 3
Those deals just don’t happen

Sure. It was a hypothetical situation of a personal ask.

My opinion is that give them what they want. Would they want anything from our roster over a blue chip prospect controllable for 7 years vs what we can offer? I don’t think we have enough. That’s why I said the combination of assets but even then it probably doesn’t get the deal done. I recall feasted trying to trade three first rounders for MacKinnon. Mind im not positing we try to acquire Bedard but the top four could be attainable if we are picking inside the top ten. Like a 9th pick and hanifin or Anderson could move the needle significantly.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

Sure. It was a hypothetical situation of a personal ask.

My opinion is that give them what they want. Would they want anything from our roster over a blue chip prospect controllable for 7 years vs what we can offer? I don’t think we have enough. That’s why I said the combination of assets but even then it probably doesn’t get the deal done. I recall feasted trying to trade three first rounders for MacKinnon. Mind im not positing we try to acquire Bedard but the top four could be attainable if we are picking inside the top ten. Like a 9th pick and hanifin or Anderson could move the needle significantly.

You might be able to move up to get Michkov if the organization has the appetite for that risk (doubtful). But the top 3 are going to be difficult because they are potential franchise forwards. Game changers.
So I don't see any combination of assets that would get you into that pick. Teams that have been tanking this season have been doing so exactly to get one of those guys. They aren't going to now move down for a bunch of lesser than asset.

Let's play it out. 12th overall pick + Hanifin + Coronato + Wolf

Gut the organization. And yet do one of those bottom 3 teams make that deal?
Doubtful.
The only way I think you even get in the conversation is with some nutty deal that is the Flames next 5 1st round picks, with no protection.

[dammage79]

No. Flames need the luck of the lotto ball to sniff a pick in the top 3. And not to shoot themselves in the foot by trying for a playoff spot. I really hate this no man's land situation they've put themselves in. They don't look good enough for a deep run and are dancing merrily on the precipice of not sucking enough to Land a higher pick. Literal no man's land

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dammage79

No. Flames need the luck of the lotto ball to sniff a pick in the top 3. And not to shoot themselves in the foot by trying for a playoff spot. I really hate this no man's land situation they've put themselves in. They don't look good enough for a deep run and are dancing merrily on the precipice of not sucking enough to Land a higher pick. Literal no man's land

Yeah, like they can’t even lose right. If you’re gonna lose to Anaheim when you’re trying to chase a playoff spot, might as well just lose every game.