[PGT] Flames 0 - Wild 3

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

At the end of the day, the Flames committed the money they did into Huby. You gotta find a way to get the best out of him because his contract is not going to be easy to move out. You very well could be right and the guy is just cruising along collecting his paycheck. But the guy was a point a game player the last five seasons before this one and now he suddenly is struggling to score. I don’t think that’s a coincidence

I think it goes beyond “getting the best” out of him, truly. Being 70 or so points off the pace is more than “I don’t prefer this coach.” Plenty of guys go through years where they don’t like the coach and don’t completely mail it in because of it.

If that’s who Huby is, we’re screwed anyway I guess, because that’s not the kind of guy you win anything with.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hard to say. Maybe the trade or the pressure of an all-star contract mentally screwed him up. Maybe he and Sutter don’t jive at all for whatever reason. But if that’s the case and he’s unique in that regard, whose job is it to figure it out? The coach that is getting the best out of most of the team? Or the star player that’s giving third liner quality when we’re lucky?

Sutter has played him with 85% of the forwards on the team and every time Huberdeau doesn’t produce with guys it’s Sutter’s fault for playing him with those guys. I’ll ask again: what exactly does Huberdeau need to figure it out? Should we go out and trade players until we get ones he likes? Or cycle through coaches until we find one he likes? He’s not McDavid.

Not sure about this...he has played with mostly the same few guys. Also, its not like anyone else is having a good season

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They have still scored more goals than a divisional playoff team that got saves all year. Average goaltending and they would be well in despite everything else...at some point the frustration is just too much.

I mean they dominated a historically good team a few days ago and lost on 2 soft goals

This is how you support your narrative about their goaltending?

They failed to score that day too, guy

A fine evening to you

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

This is how you support your narrative about their goaltending?

They failed to score that day too, guy

A fine evening to you

Its not a narrative its reality...like what are you even talking about they have 30th ranked goaltending FFS it obviously cost them the season do you even watch games?

They scored 3 goals that day and allowed 4 on an expected .75


The whole point was the Wild score less than the Flames and their average goaltending has them in a divisional spot

Anyway no point in arguing with you, you aren't even listening you are just looking for a fight...nobody is blaming goaltending tonight but the near hopeless situation they are in tonight is mainly due to .890 goaltending.

[Flamesfan05]

I am pretty sure the team quit on Sutter

Tonight was pretty much a big #### you coach

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I am pretty sure the team quit on Sutter

Tonight was pretty much a big #### you coach

Then they’re not players you’ll win championships with anyway.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Then they’re not players you’ll win championships with anyway.

They will be fine without one the most negative person they will come across.

Firing Sutter and washing our hands with that history of the team is the best thing we can do.

[FiveSeven]

I mean it's possible for it to be both Coaching and Goaltending... It doesn't have to be one or the other.

I feel like if it were just one of these things we'd be in a playoff position, but alas, we aren't.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hard to say. Maybe the trade or the pressure of an all-star contract mentally screwed him up. Maybe he and Sutter don’t jive at all for whatever reason. But if that’s the case and he’s unique in that regard, whose job is it to figure it out? The coach that is getting the best out of most of the team? Or the star player that’s giving third liner quality when we’re lucky?

Sutter has played him with 85% of the forwards on the team and every time Huberdeau doesn’t produce with guys it’s Sutter’s fault for playing him with those guys. I’ll ask again: what exactly does Huberdeau need to figure it out? Should we go out and trade players until we get ones he likes? Or cycle through coaches until we find one he likes? He’s not McDavid.

Come on now, be honest about Huberdeau's usage. At even strength his most frequent linemates have been Nazem Kadri (okay) and freaking Milan Lucic. 22.7% of the season.

20.1% with Toffoli and Lindholm
18.6% with Kadri and Pelletier
7.2% with Backlund and Coleman
6.5% with Kadri and Mangiapane

Source: https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/...L&situation=EV


And a few others for short stints. Milan Lucic has played with him more than Lindholm or Toffoli or Mangiapane. That would have been unthinkable before the season.

I agree that goaltending sunk the season, I really do. But I don't think the players have been used well and I do think it's a miserable atmosphere.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I am pretty sure the team quit on Sutter

Tonight was pretty much a big #### you coach

With how terrible Huberdeau has been under Sutter and the fact that he’s starting an 8 year deal next year, I just can’t see how you bring back Sutter, extension or not. Even if you omit Huby’s 115 point season, his last 5 years he had an average of 1.04 points/game. Under Sutter, sitting at 0.67. That combined with massively overplaying 4th liners, not giving the AHLs leading scorer even a remote chance for success during his call up, other puzzling lineup decisions and some really weird comments to the press, he can’t be back next year unless we’re going scorched earth rebuild.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FiveSeven

I mean it's possible for it to be both Coaching and Goaltending... It doesn't have to be one or the other.

I feel like if it were just one of these things we'd be in a playoff position, but alas, we aren't.

Pretty tough to be a playoff team with .890 tending...its actually a minor miracle they are within a few wins

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TheSquatch

This just in, Sutter has traded Kadri for... Ales Kotalik???

Kotalik would have fit in perfectly in that game.

[MisterJoji]

What’s coach Q up to these days?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Then they’re not players you’ll win championships with anyway.

It’s not so black and white. Boston quit on Cassidy last season. Look at them now.

[traptor]

Huberdeau and kadri went for money. They're not bough into the city or the organization.

I'm sure they're giving it 90-95% but if you want success guys need to be all in.

Sutter can be toxic but he's good at pushing guys to another level if they're fully bought it.

It's a bad mix on both sides.

Havnt been a fan of Sutter but I'm not convinced we can win with these retirement mercenaries.

Unfortunately they're essentially unmoveable so I think you need to try a new coach.

Edit: everyone is arguing about what specifically is wrong, goaltending or scoring, Sutter or huberdeau, etc...

its not a single issue. There's things wrong with all these things.

[TheScorpion]

It's always fun to listen to Darryl place the buck as far away from himself as possible.

Just a dreadful season. He should be the very first to go.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by traptor

Huberdeau and kadri went for money. They're not bough into the city or the organization.

I'm sure they're giving it 90-95% but if you want success guys need to be all in.

Sutter can be toxic but he's good at pushing guys to another level if they're fully bought it.

It's a bad mix on both sides.

Havnt been a fan of Sutter but I'm not convinced we can win with these guys.

Unfortunately they're essentially unmoveable so I think you need to try a new coach.

If you are Huberdeau, you're probably extremely happy right now. No way are you getting a contract after this season like the one signed last summer.

Kadri has been as expected, could still have the 2nd best scoring season of his career (61 pts). Would like to see Kadri with Toffoli and Dube, could work.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Come on now, be honest about Huberdeau's usage. At even strength his most frequent linemates have been Nazem Kadri (okay) and freaking Milan Lucic. 22.7% of the season.

20.1% with Toffoli and Lindholm
18.6% with Kadri and Pelletier
7.2% with Backlund and Coleman
6.5% with Kadri and Mangiapane

Source: https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/...L&situation=EV


And a few others for short stints. Milan Lucic has played with him more than Lindholm or Toffoli or Mangiapane. That would have been unthinkable before the season.

I agree that goaltending sunk the season, I really do. But I don't think the players have been used well and I do think it's a miserable atmosphere.

And he hasn’t done anything with any of them.

[Barnet Flame]

The only reason not to fire Sutter now is to ensure we get the highest draft pick possible.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Why oh why does Huberdeau keep choosing to pass it off while in a grade A chance in the slot? What's the phobia called for fear of scoring a goal?