[Trade] Flames acquire Troy Stecher + Nick Ritchie from ARI for Mackey + Brett Ritchie - Page 15 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Hack&Lube · 03-03-2023, 02:12 PM

edit moving to the Flames Done for the Day thread.

FlamesAddiction · 03-03-2023, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

what difference does it make? Cap is irrelevant for the rest of the year now

The point is that if you are non-playoff team, if you are going to add cap, you might as well use it as a broker and try to get some future assets for it. Teams still had to be compliant at the deadline. Using on a trade for pending UFAs that are extremely unlikely to change the fortunes of the team, seems really pointless. The best case scenario is that maybe the Flames win an extra game between now and the end of the season because we added a couple of goals and a depth defenseman.

I also can't imagine the owners, who are already missing out on playoff revenue this season, are thrilled about having to cut bigger cheques for little to no material gain.

cdnsir · 03-03-2023, 02:14 PM

Love this trade, we’re saving on Ritchie’s name bar alone. If he Nick gets number 24 as well, Tre the wizard is back!

dissentowner · 03-03-2023, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The point is that if you are non-playoff team, if you are going to add cap, you might as well use it as a broker and try to get some future assets for it. Teams still had to be compliant at the deadline. Using on a trade for pending UFAs that are extremely unlikely to change the fortunes of the team, seems really pointless. The best case scenario is that maybe the Flames win an extra game between now and the end of the season because we added a couple of goals and a depth defenseman.

I also can't imagine the owners, who are already missing out on playoff revenue this season, are thrilled about having to cut bigger cheques for little to no material gain.

Ok Mr I can see the future. You don't know if the Flames will miss the playoffs but have fun wallowing in your negativity. I like the trade, I have always felt Nick Ritchie had some untapped power forward upside. At least Stecher is an NHL level D man, something Mackey is not.

howard_the_duck · 03-03-2023, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This does not limit their ability to give some kids a chance at all - it's literally 2 guys for two other guys

And it isn't a lack of forward thinking, it is just thinking about things that YOU don't want to think about.

Nick Ritchie is a possible replacement for Lucic next season, and this will be aan opportunity to see how he fits.

Agree to disagree on forward-thinking.

If Stevie Yzerman was at the helm of this team, at this juncture, do you think he adds, or does he attempt to re-tool for when the chances are more realistic? Part of that re-tool equation is draft position for THIS draft, and while you may not thinking these moves move the needle much, it's still an attempt to move in the wrong direction at the wrong time.

skcli · 03-03-2023, 02:18 PM

I was hoping someone will take Luic. I guess I am wrong again

dino7c · 03-03-2023, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Agree to disagree on forward-thinking.

If Stevie Yzerman was at the helm of this team, at this juncture, do you think he adds, or does he attempt to re-tool for when the chances are more realistic? Part of that re-tool equation is draft position for THIS draft, and while you may not thinking these moves move the needle much, it's still an attempt to move in the wrong direction at the wrong time.

He tried to acquire JVR today

Erick Estrada · 03-03-2023, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Has there been a brother for brother deal in the history of the NHL before?

Has to be a weird conversation between the brothers.

powderjunkie · 03-03-2023, 02:20 PM

Worth it for the trivia questino.

Quote:

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

It demonstrates a lack of forward-thinking by the franchise, even when the chips are down.

Accept your fate, the season's lost, and give some kids a chance down the stretch by casting off some veterans, and probably give yourself a decent shot at sliding into a top-10 draft selection.

You don't need to be on team rebuild to see that direction is most logical at this point, as it still has eyes on winning next season.

There are currently 9 teams under .500. All have given up, would be very difficult to out-tank them.

topfiverecords · 03-03-2023, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdnsir

Love this trade, we’re saving on Ritchie’s name bar alone. If he Nick gets number 24 as well, Tre the wizard is back!

Probably swap numbers and houses.

Ozy_Flame · 03-03-2023, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Nick Ritchie is a potential replacement for Lucic next year.

If Stetcher fits in, it provides more depth on the back end for next year (assuming both sides want to sign)

And let's say things go well for the rest of this season, and they find themselves in a playoff spot - this trade makes them better

Nick Ritchie is a UFA. How is he a potential replacement for Lucic? He's not guaranteed to resign, and why the heck would we want to replace Lucic anyways? What does Lucic being outer than a big punching bag body?

Why did we need to trade for that?

Stecher is a UFA too.

This trade makes no sense. End of story.

howard_the_duck · 03-03-2023, 02:21 PM

Yzerman's also been slinging assets around trying to accumulate draft capital.

Burning Beard · 03-03-2023, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Nick Ritchie is a UFA. How is he a potential replacement for Lucic? He's not guaranteed to resign, and why the heck would we want to replace Lucic anyways? What does Lucic being outer than a big punching bag body?

Why did we need to trade for that?

Stecher is a UFA too.

This trade makes no sense. End of story.

Think of it as an extended tryout that literally cost nothing. End of story.

14Roman14 · 03-03-2023, 02:23 PM

I like trades, because it is fun to follow and cheer on the new guys for a while. I am still hoping they make a run and somehow make the playoffs. It’s a long shot but a lot more fun trying with a couple new guys.

In a season that has been a lot less exciting than expected, any excitement that may come from cheering on the new guys will be welcome.

I am pleased with it, even if it was just to say they made a trade, I for one appreciate it more than doing absolutely nothing.

Enoch Root · 03-03-2023, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Nick Ritchie is a UFA. How is he a potential replacement for Lucic? He's not guaranteed to resign, and why the heck would we want to replace Lucic anyways? What does Lucic being outer than a big punching bag body?

Why did we need to trade for that?

Stecher is a UFA too.

This trade makes no sense. End of story.

Sorry that you can't see it. Doesn't make any of it not true.

But I also understand that outrage is another way to go for some people

PeteMoss · 03-03-2023, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Nick Ritchie is a UFA. How is he a potential replacement for Lucic? He's not guaranteed to resign, and why the heck would we want to replace Lucic anyways? What does Lucic being outer than a big punching bag body?

Why did we need to trade for that?

Stecher is a UFA too.

This trade makes no sense. End of story.

Its the definition of a GM saying to his team - I'm not giving up on you, here's a trade to prove it. But that same GM also not giving up anything because he knows the reality of the situation.

That's it. There's no great meaning behind it. They probably just wanted Stetcher and took on Ritchies contract to make it worthwhile for the Coyotes to give him away for nothing.

Fighting Banana Slug · 03-03-2023, 02:24 PM

They needed a better puck mover from the blue line. This should help the third pairing and possibly the power play (can't get much worse). N. Ritchie is better than B. Ritchie.
Nothing to complain about there.

The Flames are most likely to end up between 8-11 in the West. A trade of this nature won't change that. As a fan, I will cheer for the new guys and for wins.

Bingo · 03-03-2023, 02:24 PM

People just let them go.

If you want to get yourself in a knot out of a non futures move at the deadline you're likely never going to be happy.

Let them wallow in it.

It's their happy place!

FlamesAddiction · 03-03-2023, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok Mr I can see the future. You don't know if the Flames will miss the playoffs but have fun wallowing in your negativity. I like the trade, I have always felt Nick Ritchie had some untapped power forward upside. At least Stecher is an NHL level D man, something Mackey is not.

After watching this team all season, do you think they are really a Nick Ritchie and Stecher upgrade of Mackey and Brett Ritchie away from posting a 0.700 record or whatever it is they need to to hopefully get the last wildcard spot? Are they going to get Huberdeau going? Are they going to prevent our goalies from letting in easy early goals?

It's done. Like done done. Like Elvis left the building, done. The stubbornness of this management to see things for what they are is holding this team back.

Flamesfan05 · 03-03-2023, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Think of it as an extended tryout that literally cost nothing. End of story.

Probably Strether, he has been somewhat useful. Maybe he can be a fit as a cheap bottom pairing guy

Nick Ritchie, I don’t think so. If he produces, he probably wants too much as he is making 2.5M now. And if he doesn’t produce, he is useless